Hello:

we also wish to convert out 32bit dual cores to 64bit dual cores to run java
applications (multiple instances with large JVM memory)
but people advice that 64bit are 20 - 30% slower than the 32bit with smaller
JVM.
why? and if true how to overcome??

thanks



Peter Stavrinides wrote:
> 
> Some of arguments presented hold some truths, but look at the bigger 
> picture... the point is that 64bit is a superior architecture to 32 bit, 
> but it is still maturing... the reasons for this are both hardware and 
> software related... the way we write programs will have to change to 
> take advantage of the new architecture, and the current generation of 
> hardware will no doubt mature to realize the potential of 64bit 
> architecture.
> 
> 32 bits processors can represent numbers up to 4,294,967,295 while a 
> 64-bit machine can represent numbers up to 18,446,744,073,709,551,615. 
> For modern hardware to take advantage of the processing power of the 64 
> bit architecture a system must have a minimum 4GB Ram, but probably 
> needs significantly more and more importantly the CAPACITY to take full 
> advantage of it, allocating it to running processes, with less there is 
> potential for lag. 
> 
> 64bit machines have been around since the 60's but only now are software 
> and hardware vendors supporting it for the mainstream market. So is 
> 64bit better than 32bit right now? the answer is yes, a 64-bit processor 
> has more technology, a better design with more transistors, thus faster 
> speeds are possible. This is currently where the true benefit of 
> switching to a 64-bit processor lays, it has nothing to do with the 
> memory address space, which is exactly that, just space for more complex 
> computations.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> Alexey Solofnenko wrote:
>> No, each of two 4GB processes will have only a half of the objects 
>> under the same load. And I heard that GC does not scale linear with 
>> heap size. And this is without multi-threading performance 
>> considerations.  As usual, your mileage may vary and only tests can 
>> tell for sure.
>>
>> - Alexey.
>>
>> Caldarale, Charles R wrote:
>>>> From: Alexey Solofnenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 
>>>> Tomcat with 8 GB memory
>>>>
>>>> I was under impression that GC does not scale linearly. That means 
>>>> one 8GB process will be slower than two 4GB processes.
>>>>     
>>>
>>> Not true.  The time of a full GC using modern algorithms depends mostly
>>> on the number and type of live objects, not the amount of heap space.
>>> The number and type of live (reachable) objects stays relatively
>>> constant for most application once the ramp-up period is over.
>>> Consequently, running a single JVM with the largest heap you can fit in
>>> the process space is the most efficient from a GC point of view.  (Of
>>> course, there are plenty of other reasons not to put all your eggs in
>>> one basket.)
>>>
>>>  - Chuck
>>>
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