There are no OOME messages in the logs...the application still runs,
albeit very slowly...GC is not kicking in any more frequently...I was
under the impression that GC doesn't touch OldGen though...?

-----Original Message-----
From: Rainer Jung [mailto:rainer.j...@kippdata.de] 
Sent: 25 September 2009 08:09
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Re: Clustering Question...

On 25.09.2009 09:01, Darren Kukulka wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions Chris.
> 
> Unfortunately, the memory that was exhausted was the OldGen heap area,
not PermGen, which doesn't show up in the Catalina log.
> 
> The heap allocation is quite hefty as this is a 64-bit
environment...we need to get our developers to look into the application
behaviour, but in the meantime I was looking for a way of dealing with
the problem.

So did you get an OutOfMemoryError, or was there only a shortage of
memory resulting in more or less continuous garbage collection runs?

Regards,

Rainer

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Schultz [mailto:ch...@christopherschultz.net] 
> Sent: 24 September 2009 19:59
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: Re: Clustering Question...
> 
> Darren,
> 
> On 9/24/2009 10:21 AM, Darren Kukulka wrote:
>> In a 2-node scenario, where both nodes are configured identically and
>> load balanced via Apache based on availability, how can we configure
the
>> cluster to deal with situations where one node has exhausted its Old
Gen
>> heap allocation.
> 
> Hmm... this is a situations that is difficult to detect using remote
> code (like mod_jk).
> 
>> In such situations we've observed that the application being served
by
>> the cluster slow down considerably.  I can understand why this would
be
>> the case for sessions on the degraded node, but why would sessions on
>> the good node suffer?
> 
> Are you using session replication? If so, the "good" Tomcat may be
> slowing down attempting to replicate session changes to the "damaged"
> Tomcat that is either not responding, or responding slowly, or
> responding in confusing ways.
> 
>> How can we modify our configuration to deal with such occurrences
more
>> effectively?
> 
> After we had some trouble with OOMEs in production (legit ones,
> actually: we just needed more heap), I implemented a quick-and-dirty
> OOME checker. All it does is "grep OutOfMemoryError catalina.out" and,
> if found, sends an email to someone.
> 
> Instead of emailing, you could have your OOME checker actually shut
down
> (or forceably terminate) the damaged Tomcat, and then the cluster
should
> stabilize. With only two nodes, this might be a problem, as the good
> Tomcat will take over and might, under the new load of 100% of your
> traffic, experience its own pergmen exhaustion and also be shut down.
> 
> You should consider adjusting your pergmen allocation (duh!) as well
as
> perhaps your heap allocation as well.
> 
> -chris

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