On 14/04/2010 15:31, David kerber wrote:
> On 4/14/2010 10:20 AM, Godmar Back wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Pid<p...@pidster.com>  wrote:
>>
>>>> For instance, if you look at
>>>>
>>> http://java.sun.com/products/servlet/2.3/javadoc/javax/servlet/ServletContextListener.html
>>>
>>>> it says:
>>>>
>>>> "To recieve (sic) notification events, the implementation class must be
>>>> configured in the deployment descriptor for the web application."
>>>
>>> Web applications are largely configured by the web.xml file in
>>> app/WEB-INF.  Servlets, listeners etc are all configured in it.
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you for your confirmation.  I thought I was going nuts, after
>> having
>> waded through various *Facade classes, hoping to find an API method I
>> could
>> call at runtime.
>>
>> I have added a ServletContextListener, but it is very much a solution I
>> strongly dislike. The reason is that my application is layered on top of
>> another application (ZK), and I don't really want to touch web.xml.
>> 'web.xml' describes how ZK is configured to run inside Tomcat or another
>> J2EE server. My applications runs on top of ZK, and having to go and made
>> changes to the underlying deployment descriptor violates basic
>> principles of
>> layering.
> 
> You don't have to modify the ZK web.xml, AFAIK.  Your app can have its
> own web.xml, and the contents will both be applied.

Hmm. What does your app/code do in relation to the other app?

>> It also creates a maintenance problem (unless an application can have
>> multiple .xml files that are combined to form a deployment descriptor).
>> Whenever ZK is updated, a new version of web.xml will be installed, and I
>> would then have to merge my<listener>  declaration into the new file.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, what is the rationale for the (apparently
>> deliberate)
>> lack of an runtime API?

Ask Sun.

Servlet 3.0 adds multiple deployent descriptor 'fragments' and
programmatic listener, servlet and filter loading.  Tomcat 7 will
support this spec and is nearing a first release.

> Someone else will have to confirm, but I believe it's because a
> ServletContextListener is just about the first thing loaded by your app.

SCLs are loaded first, yes.  I'm not privy to the reasoning for the way
the original spec works.


p

>  Because of that, runtime APIs are too late to help you; context
> listeners can signal (among other things) when a context is first
> initialized, and your code hasn't started up at that point.



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