Yeah, and Jose triggered a discussion about that on this list within the
last 1 to 3 months. remember that? :)

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:46 PM, John D. Ament <john.d.am...@gmail.com>wrote:

> in most app servers you end up with lazy loading issues, especially
> for onetomany's or manytomany's.
>

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