Sorry Eelco but me and also quite a lot of other developers(I know, contrary to 
others developers) consider same b.s. libraries which are \"alive\" just 
because they are in classpath. It is like talking when nobody asks you ... Look 
at Java SDK do you need all packages to build console \"Hello World!\" No. And 
who cares. They are just there and do their stuff when needed. So why 
wicket-velocity is doing job developer do not want and did not asked to. Where 
is writen that I cannot put mindesly tens of useles libs when they just sit 
there, assuming of course the packages are not duplicating. Do you understand 
why there are packages Eelco. Unles the class is uniqeu develioper should not 
be afreaid of using other class he wanted. To push your false premise to edge, 
why you deliberatly put all packages and classes into jar when you need just 
few of them also with dependencies. Isn`t it b.s.? Yes it is .. and also it is 
not conceptual ... Do not make zombie libraries and there will
  be no problem with dependecies. Got the point? If not I`m not alble not help 
you sorry ...

Robo 


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Od: \"Eelco Hillenius\"  
Komu:  
Poslaná: 06.09.2007 18:59 
Predmet: Re: Re: Wicket libraries

> > Java jars are nto at all complex beast. They become tricky in situation 
> > where you just put some of them inclasspath and they do what you normally 
> > do not expect. Lib should be lib and when not called by developer they 
> > should do nothing. Deliberatly breaking this rule makes the jars, beast ... 
> > :-)
> 
> Sorry, but that is b.s. Could you point me where this \'rule\' is
> defined? You bet you can have troubles if you just mindlessly include
> all kinds of jars. Furthermore, what is your whole point of having to
> include jars you are not using? If you would be using them, you\'d need
> those other dependencies, period.
> 
> Eelco
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