Johan, Matej, Martijn, thank you all for help! PS: one more reason to love this community :)
Johan Compagner wrote: > > if you just have 1 page with no back button support/all ajax > then httpsessionstore is fine > > johan > > > On 9/10/07, Alex Objelean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> It is a intranet application, so the number of users for this application >> is >> at most ~30-40 users/day. A back button support is not needed, because >> there >> is a single page and also it doesn't make sense (since it is all ajax). >> I'm still wondering, what is best in this case: >> * Using HttpSessionStore >> * Use 2nd level session store and make transient heavy object references. >> >> Alex. >> >> >> >> Martijn Dashorst wrote: >> > >> > The only caveat you'll have is whether or not the backbutton is >> > supported long enough, and how many copies of that page you want to >> > have in memory. >> > >> > If the non-2nd level cache way works for you, then there is absolutely >> > nobody telling you to stop using it. The difference has mostly to do >> > with providing backbutton support and optimizing memory usage. In your >> > case it is probably best to limit the backbutton, as you claim to work >> > a lot with ajax. So the back button functionality is probably already >> > not working (users can press it, but they will leave your site, or go >> > back to the login page). >> > >> > Profile the memory usage, multiply with the number of users you expect >> > and ask if it still fits on the machine available for your budget. >> > >> > The second level cache will still keep the last rendered page in >> > memory as I understand it, so that 32MB will still be claimed, >> > whatever store you choose. >> > >> > Martijn >> > >> > On 9/10/07, Alex Objelean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> :) Unfortunately it's not a joke, but I'm glad you're having fun :D. >> >> Actually, this is result of worst case scenario simulation (I told you >> >> that >> >> there are heavy objects in the model). After making transient some of >> the >> >> fields, the size of the page dropped dramatically. >> >> >> >> Alex. >> >> >> >> >> >> Johan Compagner wrote: >> >> > >> >> > you got to be kidding me...32MB???? >> >> > really? Or is this a nice joke so in the middle of the day :) >> >> > >> >> > johan >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On 9/10/07, Alex Objelean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It is about 32MB. Kind a big page :) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Matej Knopp-2 wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Turn on SecondLevelCacheSessionStore, and use FilePageStore as >> >> >> > IPageStore (specified in session store constructor). Then go to >> your >> >> >> > tmp dir and you should be able to find the serialized pages >> there. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -Matej >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On 9/10/07, Alex Objelean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> How can I figure it out? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Johan Compagner wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > if you save the page to disk how big is it? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > johan >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On 9/10/07, Alex Objelean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Indeed, it is a very big component hierarchy (It contains at >> >> least >> >> >> 3 >> >> >> >> >> levels >> >> >> >> >> of nested AjaxTabbedPanel components). >> >> >> >> >> The application is, in fact, a single page and it uses a lot >> of >> >> >> ajax >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> perform the updates. The model reflect the component >> hierarchy >> >> >> >> >> (Appliction >> >> >> >> >> has a single modelObject which nests another objects >> >> corresponding >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> each >> >> >> >> >> component). I do not have a lot of detaching logic, because >> it >> >> is >> >> >> >> >> important >> >> >> >> >> to have all the data in the model (caching), also because the >> >> >> services >> >> >> >> >> are >> >> >> >> >> very costly operations. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If this description is not enough for replication, I will be >> >> glad >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> help >> >> >> >> >> by >> >> >> >> >> giving you another details. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Alex. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Martijn Dashorst wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > How big is the page? Sounds like a really, really big >> >> component >> >> >> >> >> > hierarchy. Then it sounds reasonable that the httpsession >> >> store >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> >> > much faster: it keeps it in ram, and doesn't use >> serialization >> >> >> until >> >> >> >> >> > the session is serialized (server shutting down, deciding >> to >> >> put >> >> >> >> >> > session to disk or replication of session across cluster) >> >> iirc. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > I think we would appreciate some way of replicating your >> >> results. >> >> >> I >> >> >> >> >> > assume you can't share the actual code, but could you share >> a >> >> >> >> spin-off >> >> >> >> >> > of the page's component structure and a Model that >> replicates >> >> the >> >> >> >> data >> >> >> >> >> > stuff's size (including the detach logic)? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Martijn >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > On 9/10/07, Alex Objelean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If the pages wouldn't be serializable, it wouldn't work in >> >> >> >> development >> >> >> >> >> >> mode. >> >> >> >> >> >> Is it right? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I think that it is not necessarily about how large is >> >> >> application, >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> my >> >> >> >> >> >> case it is about how large is the model I'm working with >> for >> >> >> that >> >> >> >> >> >> specific >> >> >> >> >> >> request (ajax request). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> My action was: fetch a subview of a very large table >> 300x300, >> >> >> each >> >> >> >> >> cell >> >> >> >> >> >> has >> >> >> >> >> >> a heavy model object. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Alex. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Johan Compagner wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > that looks very strange to me. We have also a very large >> >> app >> >> >> here >> >> >> >> >> and >> >> >> >> >> >> we >> >> >> >> >> >> > dont notice a difference >> >> >> >> >> >> > So i am very curious what is happening at your place >> then. >> >> Are >> >> >> >> you >> >> >> >> >> sure >> >> >> >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> >> >> > example that the pages >> >> >> >> >> >> > are serializable ? That we don't have constantly >> >> exceptions? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > johan >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 9/10/07, Alex Objelean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Maybe the profiling was not a perfect one. But still, I >> >> have >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> give >> >> >> >> >> >> up >> >> >> >> >> >> >> using >> >> >> >> >> >> >> SecondSessionLevelStore just because the responsiveness >> of >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> application >> >> >> >> >> >> >> is very slow. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Johan Compagner wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > invocation count 1?? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > So you only do 1 request and you profile that? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > thats not a good test. You have to do plenty and >> >> multiply >> >> >> on >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> same >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > time >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > (10 for 100 request or something like that) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > to really see the difference. (and have a warm up >> phase) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > johan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 9/10/07, Alex Objelean >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Matej, I must disagree with you regarding >> performance >> >> >> issues >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> SecondLevelSessionStore. I've reverted the >> >> >> >> >> >> Application#newSessionStore >> >> >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> HttpSessionStore and this significantly improved the >> >> >> >> application >> >> >> >> >> >> >> overall >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> performance. Maybe this is not so obvious for small >> >> >> >> >> applications, >> >> >> >> >> >> but >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> when >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> it is about a large one - things changes. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Below, you will find attached two images. The first >> one >> >> is >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> profiling >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> an >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> action when working with HttpSessionStore, the >> second >> >> one >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> a >> >> >> >> >> >> >> profiling >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> for >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the same action when using SecondSessionLevelStore. >> The >> >> >> >> >> difference >> >> >> >> >> >> is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> huge: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 593ms vs 174420ms. I cannot explain what exactly is >> >> going >> >> >> on, >> >> >> >> >> but >> >> >> >> >> >> I've >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> noticed that by switching from default >> >> >> >> SecondLevelSessionStore >> >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> HttpSessionStore improved a lot the responsiveness >> of >> >> the >> >> >> >> >> >> application. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Alex. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p12588790/HttpSessionStore.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.nabble.com/file/p12588790/SecondSessionLevelStore.jpg >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Matej Knopp-2 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > You can revert to httpsessionstore by changing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Application.newSessionStore method. But that's not >> >> >> >> >> recommended. >> >> >> >> >> >> What >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > are your performance problems? 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