the recommended way to handle this would be to cache the data not the
generated html

-igor

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:11 AM, Martin Sachs <sachs.mar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We have a lot of Repeating views, which containing a lot of components,
> which also contains repeatingviews.
>
> To know would should be rendered, we load some hopefully small
> (listsizes, objectbyId, ...) datas from DB in the constructor and/or in
> onBeforeRender and in isVisible. You are right, this is not a
> recommented way. Most of the time is database-loading and wicket has no
> performance-problem for us. We profile our application and never found
> wicket-components as hotspots.
>
> One reason for loading some data in contstructur or onBeforeRender is to
> prevent creating huge hierarchies. This is faster than override
> isVisible(), since isVisible would called more than one times.
>
> For our usecase the responsetime is much faster with HTML-Caching,
> because the Database-calls are minimized. We save the time for creating
> componentshierarchies (all three categories) with loading data.
>
>
> Martin
>
> Jeremy Thomerson schrieb:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 3:26 AM, Martin Sachs <sachs.mar...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:sachs.mar...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     hi,
>>
>>     we need caching of components, since the construction of huge
>>     hierarchies is not cheap. The rendering ist fast. We cache the
>>     rendered
>>     HTML of a hole component via a beheaviour and write them on the next
>>     requests into a Label (unescaped). So instead of creating the complete
>>     hierarchie on every request, we create a much smaller one. But you
>>     must
>>     check, that the cachable components are stateless. Also we have JQuery
>>     for client-effects in this components, this would also be cached.
>>
>>     The performance is much better with that: approx. 10-50 times better:
>>        100ms with cache (the response time is not much depending on count
>>     of users)
>>            vs
>>        1500 ms without cache depending how many parallel user
>>
>>
>> A 15x gain is a big statement to make.  Can you please break this
>> 1500ms down into at least the following categories:
>>
>> 1 - time in IModel#getObject() and all child calls of this (IOW,
>> loading data)
>> 2 - time in constructor of components (without loading data in the
>> constructor - hopefully you're not doing this)
>> 3 - time in rendering of components
>>
>> That would be a much better number to give other users.  I have NEVER
>> seen where creating / rendering components could take 1400ms - unless
>> you're doing something wrong like database calls in your component
>> constructors.  So, I suspect that most of that 1400ms (I would guess
>> at least 1250ms) is in your model loading.
>>
>> The only time I've seen (or seen proof of) the component hierarchy
>> actually be the slow part of a Wicket page is if you were displaying a
>> repeating view of some sort with thousands of rows and each row had a
>> bunch of components in it - leading to tens of thousands of components
>> being built in the hierarchy.
>>
>> --
>> Jeremy Thomerson
>> http://www.wickettraining.com
>
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