Vincent, thank you very much for your patient reply, I think I made a mistake that I stand by the side of advanced user to see the problem of the beginners who have litter idea of server side knowledge.
For beginners, I think the .exe and .zip install files are easy and convienent enough for them to install xwiki. However, war file is also convienient for advanced users to install and confirure their xwiki with customized database and web container. The thing confused me was that I didn't get through all the docs, and finnally got a wrong jdbc jar for running xwiki properly. The reason I didn't got the 5.x version first because I used 3.x version often in my own java projects for almost 3 or 4 years, it worked fine all the time, so I didn't think too much for using it in xwiki. I think most of people who have the same mistake would have same situation with me: old version was existed in their computor, and they might not try to download one, it saves time. Another advice for improving the installation instruction for mysql was following: - Add version required beside the driver download url link, for example "You can download it from the MySQL Connector/J Driver page<http://www.mysql.com/products/connector/j/>( *! 5.x version required, 3.x version will result in errors*)or directly from the Maven Central Repository<http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/mysql/mysql-connector-java/> ." I think it might be helpful for the advanced users to emphasize this tips. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <ser...@xwiki.com> wrote: > On 03/20/2011 02:04 PM, 许凌志 wrote: > > Cause I am familar with java dev, and I prefer to install all under my > > control, so I decide to install the war file and database by my own, that > > makes me feel safe. > > > > Have you ever use some php application like Drupal, the install is very > easy > > through a wizard or install.php, I think it will be better if xwiki can > > supply such wizard function through a friend interface. > > Strange, I always say how easy it is to setup XWiki compared to most > other PHP applications. > > It depends on what's your starting point and what do you want to do. > Setting up XWiki for complete beginners is much easier than setting up a > PHP application for complete beginners. XWiki has an .exe that brings in > everything, or it has a .zip that can be unpacked on a portable USB > drive. Other than a working JVM, there's no need for advanced setup. > > On the other hand, PHP applications expect an already configured working > LAMP/WAMP environment, and once you manage to get that working, and you > unpack the application in /var/www/, it is easy to finish the > configuration. Sure, now it's easy to get a working LAMP machine in a > few minutes, if you're an advanced user, but for a non-tech windows user > just wanting to try this thing, "the droo pal or what's it called", how > do you explain setting up PHP on top of Apache HTTPD, and that's just so > that you can begin installing Drupal. > > There are two distinct phases here, the installation and the > configuration. XWiki, as most java web applications, is easy to install, > but we're lacking on the first-run configuration part. We're aware of > this, and we'll try to improve it. > > However, this is not the top priority feature that we should work on, > since: > > - the initial setup is done once, by one person, so features that will > be used by every user every day take priority over features that are > used once by one user > - for a very quick setup, we do provide the standalone packages > > The initial setup has been bugging me as well, and I'd like to see that > part improved, but the fastest way to see it implemented is to get > patches from contributors. > > > Now, coming to your specific problem, I'm not sure it's really a valid > point. Installing the right database connector is not something that > should be done by the application itself in a first-run wizard. If it > were able to do that it would actually signal a bad system setup, > security-wise. It's a good rule not to allow web applications read-write > access to the machine it's sitting on. PHP applications don't have this > problem since PHP already offers the needed connectors. We could > overcome this by packaging a bunch of connectors by default, it would be > only a slight increase in size and in required memory. But I'm not so > sure about that, currently I'm -0 for this idea. > > And frankly, I don't understand why would you download the 3.x version > when 5.x is available. You're not the first one to do this, it's quite > often, so there could be a good reason. Did you intentionally use 3.x? > Did you reach that version from someplace else where 5.x wasn't listed? > Was it already there somehow? > > > 2011/3/20 Vincent Massol<vinc...@massol.net> > > > >> > >> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:55 PM, 许凌志 wrote: > >> > >>> I know the problem now, I didn't look carefully through all the > >> instuction > >>> doc, at the end, there are some tips for problems often occured, I used > >> the > >>> low version of mysql driver(3.x), it should be newer than v3.x, I > change > >> to > >>> the newest mysql version, it works fine now. > >>> > >>> I have an advice for xwiki team, as the beginner user, I can not find > >> some > >>> resources effiently, I suggest to put some important resources and the > >>> install package, so that I can find it correctly and easily without > going > >> to > >>> some details of long documentation, it will be helpful for some new > >> users, > >>> especially someone just wants to have a try > >> > >> We want to improve this. Do you have concrete suggestions to help us do > >> what you say? > >> > >> Also why didn't you pick the standalone distribution which has > everything > >> bundled (it's for beginning user)? > >> > >> Thanks > >> -Vincent > >> > >>> 2011/3/20 Vincent Massol<vinc...@massol.net> > >>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Have you tried searching on xwiki.markmail.org? > >>>> > >>>> For ex the following > >>>> > >>>> > >> > http://xwiki.markmail.org/search/?q=Data%20too%20long%20for%20column%20%27XWD_MINOREDIT%27 > >>>> suggest an issue with the driver you're using. > >>>> > >>>> Hope to helps, > >>>> -Vincent > >>>> > >>>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:14 PM, 许凌志 wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I followed the instruction to install the xiwi to tomcat and using > >> mysql > >>>>> database. > >>>>> I think database connection is right, because the tables of xwiki was > >>>>> installed to databse. according to the error log, it might caused by > >>>>> "*java.sql.BatchUpdateException: Data too long for column > >>>>> 'XWD_MINOREDIT' at > >>>>> row 1*". > > -- > Sergiu Dumitriu > http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > users@xwiki.org > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Best wishes, 许凌志(Jame Xu) MOE KLINNS Lab and SKLMS Lab, Xi'an Jiaotong University Department of Computer Science and Technology, Xi’an Jiaotong University _______________________________________________ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
