long term is crap, canada is the best proof! fast and clean ist the best!
>From: "Carter, Baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [USMA:15655] Re: An exchange with a Dutch aviator/meteorologs ist >Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:59:38 -0500 > > >The FAA has a "long term" plan to convert to metric. It is slowly creeping >in >- with temperatures now in Celsius >- some airport diagrams have rwy dimensions in meters in parenthesis >- Practical Test Standards have metric tolerance in parenthesis after the >feet tolerance. > >Baron Carter >CFI,CFII,MEI > > >-----Original Message----- >From: kilopascal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Sunday, 14 October, 2001 14:27 >To: U.S. Metric Association >Subject: [USMA:15584] Re: An exchange with a Dutch >aviator/meteorologsist > > >2001-10-14 > >This is the type of infiltration the US wants. Slow but sure over the next >10 years get everybody use to FFU tot he point where it becomes common to >use it daily. Claim it is already used here and there as an excuse to push >it farther. Then by 2009, the TABD can claim that outlawing FFU will be >impossible, seeing FFU is "now" used everywhere by everyone as the standard >system. > >I think if you look hard, you will find that over the past 10 years or so, >US industry has "exported" more FFU than the other way around. The USA >wants to be the controlling, dominate player in the global economy and that >means for the world not only to speak and communicate in English, but to >measure in it too. The US won't care if Europe and others continue to use >SI in the background as long as they service the USA in FFU and fully >accept >America's use of FFU. > >In other words, the US will expect everyone to know and use FFU as the >primary system and metric as an afterthought. > > >He said: > >However, the freezing level is important in aviation. There the foot and >the >knot is still in use. At present this is being changed, but it is still >common to express the altitude of the freezing level in feet. > > >He states the use of feet is being changed!! That is news to me. Where, >when, how? Maybe he needs to elaborate. Because if it is, I'm sure the US >will not go along with it and do everything in their power to stop it. > >John > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Han Maenen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, 2001-10-14 14:10 >Subject: [USMA:15581] An exchange with a Dutch aviator/meteorologsist > > > > To all, > > > > I had this exchange with a webmaster of the Dutch weather site > > (http://meteonet.nl) who is also a pilot as I thought he was making a >bad > > mistake. > > > > It was about this text, translated below : > > > > Nazomerweer in Nederland > > > > Deze dagen kunnen we eindelijk genieten van een nazomerse periode. Met >een > > zuid tot zuidoostelijke stroming wordt warme lucht naar het noorden >gevoerd. > > De temperatuur kan vooral in het zuiden en zuidoosten tussen 21 en 25 >graden > > gaan uitkomen. De vorstgrens ligt reeds op 12 000 voet en kan op > > 13 000-14 000 voet terecht gaan komen (4 - 4,5 km). Verantwoordelijk is >een > > hogedrukgebied dat zich donderdag al boven de Alpen had genesteld, >getuige > > de foto hierboven. Weinig sneeuw in de Alpen. De dalen zijn duidelijk > > zichtbaar alsmede enkele plaatsen zoals Milaan (1) en Turijn (2) en het > > Gardameer (3). > > > > Translation: > > > > At last we can enjoy some Indian Summer weather. In asouth to sout-east > > airflow warm air is being transported to the north. Especially in the >south > > and south-east (of the Netherlands) the temperature could go up to >between > > 21 and 25 degrees. The freezing level is at 12 000 ft and may rise to > > 13 000 and 14 000 ft (4 - 4.5 km). Repsonsible for this weather is an > > anticyclone that settled last Thursday over the Alps. (if you want to >see > > the satellite photograph, go to the site, it is on the homepage) There >is > > not much snow in the Alps. The valleys are clearly visible and so are >some > > cities like Milano and Torino and the Lake Garda. > > > > I choose to adopt a 'fight fire with fire' approach and converted the > > temperatures to 72 and 77 degrees F, in order to make my point. > > > > > > Dear Mr. Egthuijsen, > > > > In the text I cite I have converted the given temperatures to degrees > > Fahrenheit, just to show what might happen in the future if the general > > public is unneccessarily exposed to feet and other US units, in this >case >to > > show the altitude of the freezing level. > > The freezing level is at 12 000 ft and will rise to between 13 and 14 >000 > > ft. If we have to use feet, then in fact it should be the 32 degree >level. > > Indeed, if everybody in The Netherlands and the rest of the world should > > have to use feet to measure something, then we also should adopt the > > Fahrenheit scale. In short: DOWN WITH METRIC! ADOPTION OF USCU IN THE EU > > WITHIN 10 YEARS! SPEAK ENGLISH, MEASURE IN ENGLISH! > > It is a fact that at present we have to use medieval units called 'feet' >in > > our airspace as a consequence of an Anglo-Saxon dictat in the past. Yet, > > outside the USA and the UK such use should be restricted WITHIN THE >WORLD >OF > > AVIATION ONLY and not be found in texts for the general public. This >looks > > like an attempt to have the foot adopted as a general unit of length. > > The altitude has also been given in kilometers, but this indication in >our > > own units takes an inferior position. Everywhere on the ground in that >area > > the metric system is in general use. People there measure the altitude >of > > mountains etc. in meters, except pilots in their cockpits. Gliders, >however, > > use the meter. > > I know about US and UK units, but I am radically oposed to them. As far >as >I > > am concerned, these units belong in a museum. The international unit of > > length is the meter, not the foot. The Anglo-Saxon 'system' of units >has > > nothing to do with progress. It is not a system but a pile of medieval > > units, connected to each other with the most crazy conversion factors. > > The world strives towards the adoption of the International System of >Units > > (SI). In todays's world, the USA and the UK are in a privileged >position. > > They posses the language that is used all over the world for >international > > communications. They should not be allowed to achieve such a position in >the > > field of measuring units. SPEAK ENGLISH, MEASURE IN METRIC is acceptable >in > > international relationships, however. > > I have a request. Please, limit the use of Anglo-Saxon units to the >world >of > > aviation. It is beyond me why the general visitor of your otherwise >splendid > > site should have to know the altitude of the freezing level in feet. >When >I > > read the Teletext page 707 (aviation weather forecast) and I see: '0 >degree > > level at FL 100', I convert it at once to 3 000 m. For me no feet, not > > today, not tomorrow, never. US and UK units out. I hope to see the day >on > > which at last the foot is booted out of our airspace,. > > > > Yours, etc. > > > > Answer: > > > > From: "M.E. Egthuijsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Han Maenen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: "Arie Verrips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, 2001 October 13, 22:21 > > Subject: Re: Gebruik van Britse meeteenheden buiten de luchtvaart om > > > > Dear Mr. Maenen, > > > > We know that we have used US and UK units. But youa re confusing to >things. > > The foot is originally a British unit and the degree Fahrenheit which we > > have not used is an American one. It would have been totally >inappropriate > > if we had used 32 degrees Fahrenheit instead of 0 degrees Celsius. > > > > However, the freezing level is important in aviation. There the foot and >the > > knot is still in use. > > At present this is being changed, but it is still common to excpress the > > altitude of the freezing level in feet. In order to give the story >something > > of an aviation atmosphere I wanted to use feet. As there are still >people > > who can not convert to meters or kilometers are showed the metric > > equivalents, indeed in a secondary position (not mena tot be inferior, >as > > you have seen it). > > In most of our texts you will hardly be exposed to feet. Just have a >good > > look at our site. > > > > Thanks for your reaction. > > > > Vr. gr. Mario Egthuijsen i.s.m. Arie Verrips > > Meteonet, http://meteonet.nl iedere dag weer! > > > > > > My answer to this message: > > > > Dear Mr. Egthuijsen, > > > > Thanks for your reaction. I only used the Fahrenheit scale as a 'fight >fire > > with fire' method. However, I think that the Fahrenheit scale could have > > taken over our airspace as well, just like the foot did. I am glad that >this > > never happened. > > > > I have always feared that, because of the immense power and influence of >the > > USA and the UK, the metric system might be slowly replaced by the > > Anglo-Saxon one, in the same way as on a creeping warm front cold air is > > replaced by warm air, slowly and unnoticed by most people for a long >time. > > It makes me think of the events in the beginning of February. ( REM: It >took > > 3 days for warm air to conquer the Netherlands, south to north, preceded >by > > a very long period of snow, then freezing rain and rain. Then the > > temperature went up like a space shuttle, to between 12 and 15 degrees). > > > > If change is really in the air, as you indicated in your answer, then I >am > > very glad. It will mean the undoing of one of the most serious and >dangerous > > defeats the metric system has sustained. And it will be a step towards > > SPEAK ENGLISH - MEASURE IN METRIC in international relations. > > > > Yours, etc. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Downloaden Sie MSN Explorer kostenlos unter http://explorer.msn.de/intl.asp
