Hi Marcus:
  I still suggest you procure a copy of my paper: The Metric Second (1973 
April) from Indian Standards or other sources, since what you mention is 
nothing more than your suggestions make more confusion by calling 2:50 hrs 
when actually it is 6AM. In addition, the following may be of interest:
(a)How far Do We Metricate? Standards Engineering, Minnesota (USA); pp.10 � 
11; 1973 October;
(b)Socio-Scientific and Politico-Economic Revelation of Metric Time     
Reform: ABSTRACTS: (1)International Symposium on Time & Frequency (1981
  February 12); (2)National Physical Laboratory, New Delhi
(c)IDLE THOUGHTS: Standards Engineering , Minnesota (USA); 1983  December; 
pp 129
(d)United States Senate: Ted Stevens, ALASKA Senator; Book � Towards A 
Unified Technology; 1985   January 29
(e)Metric Conversion in United States: Letter to Editor; Standards 
Engineering, OHIO; V40 N2; p.47;1988 March/April
  I think I have expressed that i have left this long ago and felt someone 
did 'more spade work' to see what was possible and cost effective to be 
acceptable RATHER THAN create *confusion* beyond reapair. PERCENTIME 
proposal (10 or 20 hours) hardly took me anywhere!
Brij Bhushan Vij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>From: "Ma Be" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>To: "Brij Bhushan Vij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: my 2 eurocents to the Calendar Reform
>Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:19:27 -0700
>
>I hope you won't mind that I'm taking my response to you in private only as 
>I do not want to potentially embitter my relationship with USMA's 
>moderator.
>
>Well...  I'm not sure what sort of calcs you would be looking at to adjust 
>your proposal to embrace my percentime approach.
>
>Basically the value of the second would be adjusted to 86.4% of its current 
>size (instead of 36% in your approach).  The average radius of the world 
>would be such that the circumference of the earth would be exacts 40 Mm.  
>The new cartographic grid would be divided in centigrades (0.01 gr) with 
>each centigrade being an exact 1 km.  The duration of the day would 
>therefore be *exactly* what it is today to encompass 100 000 new seconds 
>now divided up as I proposed, 1000 seconds = 1 new percentime hour.  100 
>percentime hours in a day and the deci digit could refer to the new 
>percentime minute as below.  And there would be 20 time zones 5 percentime 
>hours apart.
>
>XX.X: First two digits in a scale from 0 to 99.  Decimal place (after the 
>dot) would refer to percentime minutes.  In case more accuracy was wanted, 
>two additional digits would follow (XX.XYY) to indicate amount of seconds 
>to make up a percentime minute (100, evidently).  If you remember my draft 
>of an analog percentime watch there would be 4 needles, a couple to 
>indicate amount of percentime hours (necessary due to the fact that 3.6 
>degrees would be just too small for anyone to be able to read), these two 
>resembling our current hour-minute couple size and shapewise.  A third 
>longer needle for the minutes (this needle would move quite a bit "fast" 
>speedwise, 36 degrees per 100 percentime seconds!), and a fourth one for 
>the percentime second itself.
>
>Evidently the 1000 second per hour is all that we would need for most 
>general applications, so in this regard we would simply disregard the two 
>last needles and focus on the first couple, just like we currently do with 
>our current analog watches!  However, in practice people would require to 
>mind the third one as about 15 minutes of time passing can be quite 
>significant (this is about the time this needle would require to complete a 
>full revolution).
>
>This proposal of mine may give the impression that the model is a 
>100-10-100 proposal, but it's only so as far as reporting time is 
>concerned.  For calculation purposes it's evidently 1000-100, as calcs 
>would use the XX.XXX format instead.
>
>A last comment on this is that instead of using the colon or dot to 
>separate being hours and minutes and seconds we'd use a special symbol I 
>came up with, a small circle, like the copyright symbol, with the % symbol 
>inside of it.  So, try imagining it thusly:
>
>HHoM - where the small "o" here is replacing the symbol afore-mentioned.
>
>The calendar reform business could be exactly what you proposed with the 
>6-year corrections on a 10-month calendar, the addition of the "new extra 
>week", etc.  The only setback would be the impossibility of being able to 
>unite all calendars as far as what year we are in.  So, jews would continue 
>to use their 6 thousand + year, Christians would continue using year 2002, 
>3, etc.  Vedas their own, etc, etc.
>
>So, if you feel any additional calcs would be in order, please let me know. 
>  Aside from what I described above there shouldn't be any actually.
>
>Marcus
>
>On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:06:26
>  Brij Bhushan Vij wrote:
> >? Hi Marcus and friends:
> >  I have had many such instances and I have been ignoring. It was the 
>last
> >para that suggested me to close discussion and press *delete button* that 
>I
> >thought, there were not many to realise the difficulties *through which I
> >had undergone *that I suggested, some one took upon himself and WORKED 
>the
> >'mathematical difficulties' that may lie ahead and work the PERCENTIME
> >proposal for its application to make it a viable proposal for WORLD BODY.
> >  However, I am not for winning or losing any battle. But, WINNERS do not
> >quit, and nor QUITTERS win *ever*. I have done what I could and am 
>willing
> >to do if there is a 'worth' thought, for me to ponder over the QUESTION 
>all
> >over 'once again'. Regards,
> >Brij Bhushan Vij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >>From: "Ma Be" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>To: "Brij Bhushan Vij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: Re: my 2 eurocents to the Calendar Reform
> >>Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 13:08:47 -0700
> >>
> >>?  Brij, I think you misinterpreted my remark.  Sure, research is 
>serious.
> >>However, if we find no pleasure in discussing the subject (or have fun!)
> >>then why do we bother to get involved with it?  So, my point was that 
>it's
> >>*important* that *we like* what we do (research), otherwise dealing with 
>it
> >>would be a dreadful thing, wouldn't it?
> >>
> >>Marcus
> >>
> >>On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:40:31
> >>  Brij Bhushan Vij wrote:
> >> >A scientist never writes for FUN; I thought you were serious!
> >> >Regards,
> >> >Brij B. Vij
> >> >
> >> >>From: "Ma Be" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >>Subject: [USMA:21745] Re: my 2  eurocents to the Calendar Reform
> >> >>Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:35:00 -0700
> >> >>
> >> >>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:07:25
> >> >>  Wizard of OS wrote:
> >> >> >he folks,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >why do you elaborate that topic to this extent.
> >> >> >
> >> >>Dear Wiz, as far as I'm concerned I find this topic fun to discuss, 
>for
> >> >>starters.  In addition, a true scientist should always be in the look
> >>out
> >> >>for solutions to age-old problems of humanity (it's just what and how 
>we
> >> >>are!  :-)   ).  We find that there is always hope to make changes 
>that
> >> >>would benefit mankind.  Who knows something MAY come up out of all
> >>this...
> >> >>;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> >The USMA attempts to realize what is possible in the US and not 
>what
> >>will
> >> >>never be in the world.
> >> >> >
> >> >>When it comes to technology one should never say 'never'...
> >> >>
> >> >> >proposing a new calendar is like the whole world proclaims adopting
> >>FFU!
> >> >> >
> >> >>I, personally, beg to differ.  If one finds a proposal/solution that 
>can
> >> >>theoretically be proven to bring more pros than cons in the long run 
>and
> >>if
> >> >>it finds the support of key critical segments of society, who knows
> >>common
> >> >>sense will prevail?  Hope is always the last to die...
> >> >>
> >> >> >this is a dream of stupid metric oppenents, people from the 1800s.
> >> >> >
> >> >>We're not metric opponents here and I'd like to believe that we're no
> >> >>stupid, either, so...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You should rather concentrate on real and POSSIBLE issues rather 
>than
> >> >>wasting your time!
> >> >> >
> >> >>As far as I'm concerned, R&D is never a 'waste of my time', Wiz.  But 
>if
> >> >>you're not interested, fine, just please press the delete button in 
>your
> >> >>browser.
> >> >>
> >> >>Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >>Marcus
> >> >>
> >> >>
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