At 6 January 2003, 06:37 PM, kilopascal wrote:
Realistic, my foot!  This is nothing more then sour grapes.  This type of
dribble has been in and out of print since it was announced the EU was going
to create a common currency.  All of the "experts" kept and still keep
prophesying its doom.  They want the euro to fail and  they keep spouting
failure so much they actually believe it is going to happen.
You did not read the article very carefully. The author did NOT prophesy the doom of the Euro, he merely discussed some scenarios where it MIGHT fail. If you believe that there are no such scenarios, then you have entered the realm of faith and I would presume you pray each night for the ascendency of the United States of Europe.

Well, isn't that what we do in the US.  We have a common currency and a "one
size fits all" policy, even if some states or regions are poorer then
others.  Why don't we dispose of the dollar and have each state have their
own currency and economic policy?  Because their is greater strength and
power in having a single powerful currency and economy.  The US knows it and
so does the EU.
IF the countries of the European union are willing to give up their sovereignty, to a degree somewhat similar to what the 13 original colonies did when they formed the USA, then there is no reason that the "United States of Europe" could not become a single, large economic unit.

However, that's a helluva big "if."

The author of the article is British.  Obviously this persons is one of
those who ashamed of the fact that Britain is no longer a world power and
can't stand the fact that EU will be what Britain once was.
Victor Frankl (a German Jew who suffered through a concentration camp in WWII) in an appendix to his moving book "Man's Search for Meaning," talks about "dereflection," where a person mirrors his own beliefs in those around him.

Your assertions about the editorialist (Gwynne Dyer) are a clear example of "dereflection."

Who really fears a strong United
Europe?  My guess would be the US who doesn't want an equal on the world
scene and the British who see a united Europe as the last nail in the coffin
of what was once the British Empire.
The "US" fears a strong United Europe? I didn't know that non-physical things could feel fear, John! Do you include yourself in that? Or is this just more broad-brush stereotyping?

People with a reasonable (read "non-marxist" or "non-keynesian") understanding of trade and economics do not fear a strong trading partner. That's as stupid as fearing that your neighborhood grocer is financially strong and well run. A strong European state would benefit all mankind. In particular, it will tremendously help the USA balance its trade deficit.

Sadly, should a unified European state come about, history tells us that in all likelihood the citizens of Europe will see their individual rights eroded. But, that's a different issue.

I just wonder what these people are going to do when their dire predictions
don't come true.
Probably the same thing you will do if their predictions do come true.

Jim Elwell, CAMS
Electrical Engineer
Industrial manufacturing manager
Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
www.qsicorp.com

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