----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Ressel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, 2004-11-22 09:00
Subject: [USMA:31494] Re: Greenspan (but not Congress!)
may helpAmerica metricate
> I'm not sure the concrete industry is successful at
using concrete when
> most of the Construction industry is not metric. Cast in place is no big
> deal as concrete can be batched in metric or English with the fiip of a
> switch. Precast products are another thing entirely.
>
> I equate this to the use of nominal units for pipe and other legacy
> products. If we force each industry to convert at significant cost in
> retooling then they will resist more and more and this Country will
> NEVER convert. We need to do it in a kinder gentler fashion.
> most of the Construction industry is not metric. Cast in place is no big
> deal as concrete can be batched in metric or English with the fiip of a
> switch. Precast products are another thing entirely.
>
> I equate this to the use of nominal units for pipe and other legacy
> products. If we force each industry to convert at significant cost in
> retooling then they will resist more and more and this Country will
> NEVER convert. We need to do it in a kinder gentler fashion.
What we need to do is convert those
things first that have zero cost associated with conversion but have
advertisement value. Example: Weather reporting, gasoline sales at
the pump in litres, food sales weighed before the customer in kilograms, and
such. Gasoline pumps already have metric capability and only need the
operator to flip a switch as well. The same for the digital scales in the
markets. These 3 changes would work wonders in exposing the public to
metric and maybe in effect weaken the forces that say it is too costly
elsewhere.
Can you
> imagine saying that every pipe sold in the US must be metric? Now mind
> you that might mean that next time you want to upgrade your waterline
> you have to rip it all out and build new because the old stuff and new
> stuff wont' be compatible. I don't think the pubic will ever buy that.
> imagine saying that every pipe sold in the US must be metric? Now mind
> you that might mean that next time you want to upgrade your waterline
> you have to rip it all out and build new because the old stuff and new
> stuff wont' be compatible. I don't think the pubic will ever buy that.
No, but what you can do is
require that all presently sold pipe use the DN (Diameter Nominal) naming system
and be sold by the metre. The size numbers DN with naming system are
actually closer to the true pipe size in millimetres, then the inch names.
A half inch pipe is called DN15. The inner diameter of pipe is closer to
15 mm then it is to a half inch.
> Do you think that countries that have previously converted (IE. Canada,
> Australia, England) use hard metric for everything? More likely most of
> their products are nominal sizes. I think this is all this legislation
> is saying.
Even if the sizes are nominal and
are neither true in metric nor in inch, there is no reason they can not call the
products by a metric name and only allow it to appear in print.
So when can we expect New York to
revert to FFU? They must be the last hold-out now?
Euric
>
> Howard Ressel
> Project Design Engineer, Region 4
> (585) 272-3372
>
>>>> mavi fibe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/20/2004 9:23:22 PM >>>
> Can someone here please explain to us what's going on
> here with this thing? I really don't get it. Is this
> another step backwards or what? Does that mean the
> concrete industry which apparently was being
> successful at using metric is now being forced NOT to
> use metric ever again?
>
> Thanks for the clarification anyone (maybe the likes
> of Ezra and Howard... could shed some light here,
> please).
>
> Marcus
>
> --- Euric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Wouldn't it be a kick in the backside of some
>> entrepreneur would start up a
>> chain of metric masonry companies in key markets and
>> sell metric products
>> that are better and more cost effective then the
>> imperial ones?
>>
>> Another thing, I hope this action of Congress
>> doesn't put them in the mood
>> to defeat the FPLA amendment when it comes before
>> them.
>>
>> Euric
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "m.f.moon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Saturday, 2004-11-20 10:22
>> Subject: [USMA:31489] Re: Greenspan (but not
>> Congress!) may help America
>> metricate
>>
>>
>> > Actually, concrete product are mostly locally made
>> as the shipping costs
>> > are
>> > very high and importation is not likely. Best
>> change this one rather than
>> > count on imports.
>> > Marion Moon
>> >
>> > ------ Original Message ------
>> > Received: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 06:13:54 AM PST
>> > From: "Euric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Subject: [USMA:31488] Re: Greenspan (but not
>> Congress!) may help America
>> > metricate
>> >
>> > Scott Weber, NCMA Chairman and president of
>> Basalite Concrete Products in
>> > Dixon, CA, said "Congress' action will do more
>> than protect American
>> > concrete masonry manufacturers.
>> >
>> > Actually untrue! Metric masonry products can then
>> be purchased from
>> > foreign
>> > sources. But this assumes that their will be a
>> demand for metric masonry
>> > products, which I doubt there will be unless there
>> are a lot more people
>> > out
>> > there who think like us. American companies will
>> not be able to export
>> > their products and thus can actually lose money.
>> They are gambling on the
>> > premise that the domestic market is sufficient for
>> their needs. But with
>> > interest rates destined to rise there is going to
>> be a slump in
>> > construction. Without the ability to export their
>> products they will find
>> > themselves hurting really badly.
>> >
>> >
>> > It will also forestall huge, unnecessary costs for
>> construction that would
>> > certainly be passed on to taxpayers. That's
>> something we don't need as the
>> > country struggles with a rising federal deficit."
>> >
>> > It would only delay the inevitable. The so-called
>> costs are one time and
>> > would create a product that can be exported. The
>> only way to end the
>> > deficits is to sell more products then you buy and
>> to do that you have to
>> > sell products that are marketable in the rest of
>> the world. Some people
>> > just like digging their own graves.
>> >
>> > Euric
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jason Darfus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Saturday, 2004-11-20 00:51
>> > Subject: [USMA:31486] Re: Greenspan (but not
>> Congress!) may help America
>> > metricate
>> >
>> >
>> >> One might hope, but from the news that came out
>> Friday it seems the
>> >> powers
>> >> that be can't see beyond profits to be made in
>> the near term by cutting
>> >> "huge unnecessary costs..."
>> >>
>> >> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041119/dcf012_1.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 19, 2004, at 22:08, Euric wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Well anyway, when the dollar crashes (and it
>> will, it is only a matter
>> >>> of
>> >>> time), can we hope that a bankrupt nation will
>> wake up and realise that
>> >>> only through metrication can this nation prosper
>> again?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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