They have a lot on their plate right now, but it will happen if JCAHO tells them to do it.

Remek Kocz wrote:

Talking metric to patients about the sacrosanct personal dimensions is key. If the medical community, for the sake of patient safety, agreed to communicate in SI units we'd be in great shape. On Feb 1, 2008 12:47 AM, Paul Trusten <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

    A hospital going fully metric must do so on a cultural basis. The
    changeover has to be on the basis of total metric awareness.
     There is enough "awareness" going on at my hospital already. For
    example, one nursing unit's name was changed from "telemetry" to
    "progressive care" to more accurately describe the type of care.
     So, everyone throughout the facility has had to start using, or
    at least become familiar with, this new name. The same thing must
    be done with measurement. Only kilogram scales and meter scales
    should be used to weigh and measure patients, and only kilograms
    and meters should be stated, either verbally or in writing, in the
    hospital. Patients should be made familiar with their SI weight
    and height.  All this might come to pass one day, but someone is
    going to have to suffer or die before it happens.

    Paul


    Remek Kocz wrote:

    Paul, I couldn't agree more.  Someone will make a pounds/kg
    conversion error on a drug with a narrow therapeutic index, and a
    patient will die.

    And even if every hospital goes fully metric, you will still be
    up against the primary care offices that for the most part do
    everything in pounds, inches, and fluid ounces.  The problem
begins in medical school where it's still a mixture of units. One culprit in particular that stands out is one of the "bibles"
    of health care, Mosby's Guide to Physical Examination.  It's a
    comprehensive book that every doctor will come across, but it's
    just chock full of bizarre decisions on units.  Sometimes metric
    stands alone, sometimes it's first, sometimes last, and sometimes
    absent.  On an occasion, the conversions from customary units to
    metric units are completely erroneous.

    Metric in health care is a very broad subject.  Much could be
    done, but very little is happening.  Maybe when I have some time,
    I'll write more about it.

    Remek

    On Jan 31, 2008 10:58 PM, Paul Trusten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

        Over the years, a few people have asked me if a Mars
        Orbiter-type, or Gimli-type, event could occur in U.S.
        healthcare.  The answer is yes.  It will happen due to a
        confusion between pounds and kilograms of patient body
        weight/mass.  Such a sentinel event is required in order to
        make the all-metric hospital culture into a JCAHO national
        patient safety goal. They won't take my word for it.

        Paul




        Walter Meier wrote:

        Thanks, Pat.

        I've read several accounts of this event in the past, but as
        you said, this one is truly the best. Hairraising, in fact.
        And this one does a far better job of expalining what went
        wrong with the calculations. The real problem lay with the
        fuel density calculations, not with the calibration of the
        dripsticks, as the Avweb story reported. Still, it was the
        confusion caused by the simultaneous use of two systems of
        measurement that nearly led to disaster, and I'm sad to see
        that little has changed in the 25 years since.

        Cheers,

        Walter

        On Jan 31, 2008 3:21 PM, Pat Naughtin
        <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
        <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:

            Dear Walter,

            The best story that I have read on the Gimli Glider is
            that by Wade H. Nelson at:

http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html
            It is very well written.

            Cheers,
Pat Naughtin

            PO Box 305 Belmont 3216,
            Geelong, Australia
            Phone: 61 3 5241 2008

            Metric system consultant, writer, and speaker, Pat
            Naughtin, has helped thousands of people and hundreds of
            companies upgrade to the modern metric system smoothly,
            quickly, and so economically that they now save
            thousands each year when buying, processing, or selling
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UK, and the USA. See http://www.metricationmatters.com/ <http://www.metricationmatters.com/>for more metrication
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            On 2008/02/01, at 3:25 AM, Walter Meier wrote:

            Greetings all:

            The NASA incident on Mars is the one most often
            remembered for the danger of using multiple systems of
            measurement, but this one is also truly remarkable.
            Today they're retiring an airplane that under most
            circumstances would have been written off many years
            ago, so I thought it would be a good occasion to
            remember the feat.

            http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1043-full.html#197052

            Cheers,

            Walter




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Acting Secretary
The Pharmacy Alliance
Midland TX 79707-2872 USA
+1(432)528-7724
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Acting Secretary
The Pharmacy Alliance
Midland TX 79707-2872 USA
+1(432)528-7724
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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