With all due respect to Stan's knowledge and expertise, I feel I must disagree at least in part with what he says below.

On the surface, Stan has excellent basis for his statement. Indeed, the International Organization of Legal Metrology (OIML) defines metrology as "the science of measurement" in its _International Vocabulary of Measurement_ (VIM). The International Bureau of Weights and Measures (BIPM) also defines it as "the science of measurement".
http://www.bipm.org/en/convention/wmd/2004/

However, the theoretical underpinnings of this science are mathematically derived and not derived by using the methods of science. Metrology draws heavily from the fields of statistics and it incorporates the quantity calculus (which is mathematically defined). Neither statistics nor the quantity calculus are derived by experimental methods and development of testable hypotheses. Further, in the U.S., the first years of education treat measurement as a math topic, not as a science topic. Every state's standards that I have viewed place measurement as a math component.

True enough, metrology was developed by scientists. The physical definitions of quantities, the relationships among quantities, and the realizations of the definitions depend almost entirely on physics.

Yet the applications of metrology are found in all disciplines, including mathematics (especially algebra, trigonometry, calculus, and geometry), economics, sociology, geography, geodesy, domestic and vocational curricula, and even the grammar of languages and literature. Those who teach in these "non-science" fields must be educated in the use of the SI and must teach its proper use to their students.

So, as a practical matter, the SI must be taught and used in all curricula, including mathematics, and not merely as a science topic. In the structure of primary and elementary education in the U.S., the task of teaching measurement falls into the discipline of mathematics.

Jim

STANLEY DOORE wrote:
Pat et al:
It is not surprising that the SI was not mentioned in the Math Panel's final report. And, it shouldn't be because the SI is a measurement/science issue and not a math issue. The SI should be taught and used in science courses and classes, as I've said before. The education system in the US has seen metrication as a computational issue (conversion) and not a fundamental measurement issue. Until the US understands this, the US will have trouble metrication. However, there is hope. Here in Montgomery County, Maryland, our Superintendent of Schools, Dr Jerry Weast, (138,000 students) recognized this back in 2002 when I brought it to his attention. Since then, the SI has been taught in science classes and courses and used exclusively in them. On a couple of occasions since, Dr. Weast has told me that he is committed to the SI. That's where the rubber hits the road. Incidentally, I was at the final meeting of the NMP as I've reported. Regards, Stan Doore ----- Original Message -----

    *From:* Pat Naughtin <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    *To:* U.S. Metric Association <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Cc:* U.S. Metric Association <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Sent:* Saturday, March 15, 2008 4:46 AM
    *Subject:* [USMA:40576] Re: National Mathematics Advisory panel

    Dear Jim and All,

    I have had another look at the National Mathematics Advisory Panel
    (NMAP) final report and I am even more surprised and perplexed than
    I was before.

    The Final Report can be found at www.ed.gov/mathpanel
    <http://www.ed.gov/mathpanel> and the press release is available at
    http://www.ed.gov/news/pressreleases/2008/03/03132008.html.

    You may recall that the NMAP final report did not mention:

    the metric system
    the International System of Units
    meters (or metres)
    grams
    liters (or litres)

    But neither did it mention inches, feet, yards, or furlongs. The
    only measuring words that I could find were 'miles per gallon' and
    these words were mentioned only once and they appeared in this context:

    **
    Text Box: National policy must ensure the healthy development of a
    domestic technical workforce with adequate scale and top-level
    skill.Mathematics literacy is a serious problem in the United
    States. According to Philips (2007), 78% of adults cannot explain
    how to compute the interest paid on a loan, 71% cannot calculate
    miles per gallon on a trip, and 58% cannot calculate a 10% tip for a
    lunch bill. Further, it is clear from the research that a broad
    range of students and adults also have difficulties with fractions
    (e.g., Hecht, Vagi, & Torgeson, 2007; Mazzocco & Devlin, in press),
    a foundational skill essential to success in algebra. The recent
    National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP, “the Nation’s
    Report Card”) shows that 27% of eighth-graders could not correctly
    shade 1/3 of a rectangle and 45% could not solve a word problem that
    required dividing fractions (U.S. Department of Education, 2004).

    Labor economists Richard J. Murnane and Frank Levy have spoken to
    the vital importance of mathematical skill (Murnane & Levy, 1996):

    /Close to half of all seventeen year olds cannot read or do math at
    the level needed to get a job at a modern automobile plant. Barring
    some other special knowledge or talent that would allow them to earn
    a living as, say, a plumber or artist, they lack the skills to earn
    a middle-class paycheck in today’s economy./

    /**/

    The last of these paragraphs stunned me because I know that the
    automotive industry in the USA is almost totally metric and it has
    been largely metric since the mid 1970s.

    How can you have a mathematics education policy that does not even
    include a single reference to the metric system when probably many
    more than half of the current crop of school students will work
    using metric units in the domestic industries of the USA? Lorelle
    Young, the president of the United States Metric Association
    estimated, a few years ago, that industry in the USA was then more
    than 60 % metric.

    Where will children learn to measure using the metric system if the
    'National Mathematics Advisory Panel' specifically leaves out any
    reference to the modern metric system when they advise on policy for
    USA schools?

    How can you have "a domestic technical workforce with adequate scale
    and top-level skill" when absolutely no guidance is given by the
    nation's mathematical leaders about units of measurement?


    On 2008/03/15, at 10:28 AM, James Frysinger wrote:

    That's an impressive statistic, Pat. Your previous email on this
    subject (but with no subject line entry) was USMA:40565. That
    forwarded a list of emails that NMAP had received. But that list
    did not include the submissions that were read to the panel in person.

    I find little to hope for in this. The NMAP struck me as being
    rather deaf on the subject of the metric system, both during my
    presentation and in their interim reports. On the day I attended
    and presented, the bulk of the questions asked and comments made
    by the panel had to do with proposed commercial education
    packages. We have seen these "miracle cures" marching down the
    road for years, in a steady stream, for their chance to drink deep
    at the public money trough. Apart from that the only interest by
    the panel seemed to be when to start teaching algebra. In short,
    the NMAP seemed more focussed on methodology (especially the
    procured sort) than on content.

    Perhaps I will be pleasantly surprised when the report comes out
    on Tuesday. I hope so.

    Jim

    Pat Naughtin wrote:
    Dear Marion and All,
    You might be interested in the fact that the National Mathematics
    Advisory panel:
    … reviewed written commentary from 160 organizations and
    individuals … and 30 of these submissions (19 %) were about the
    teaching of the (SI) metric system in USA schools.
    On 2008/03/15, at 6:25 AM, m. f. moon wrote:
    Pat, great comment. Without going into great detail of the
    problem, I got
    myself into a bit of difficulty when during a discussion on a
    standards
    specification, I suggested that a certain equation may not be
    correct. I was
    assigned to study the problem over night but didn't have a
    calculator nor
    computer with me. I choose to do rational arithmetic which
    handled the
    boundary conditions with ease -- this is where I thought the
    problems might
    be. A couple of quick calcs showed the intermediate values to be
    correct also.
    So, my claim was wrong but the method of solution was unusual
    for most of the
    other standards committee members but persuasive. Who needs
    fractions?

    marion moon

    ------ Original Message ------
    Received: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 02:42:37 AM PDT
    From: Pat Naughtin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
    <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
    To: "U.S. Metric Association" <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [USMA:40565] Dear All,

    Here is a copy of the 30 submissions that the National
    Mathematics  Advisory Panel (NMAP) received with reference to
    teaching of the the  metric system in the schools of the USA.


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