Jerry...I gotta call this one in Stephen's favor. You asked the question "Do you talk cars in metric because they're all made in metric."
Which of course, is an incorrect statement. Stephen was egging you on a little bit by not coming clean with the type of car, but still. He's not pawning an old Mini off as something modern, he simply said not all cars are made in metric. There was no timeframe attached to that statement.
By 1993, the Mini certainly was mixed metric and legacy. My Range Rover also is. Both were cars designed decades ago.
So without getting you and Ken's goat, let's let this one go. If you have questions about, contact me off list please.....
Certainly any car DESIGNED since the late 70s or early 80s (depending on car maker's conversion) would be metric only.
This horse is absolutely dead.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [USMA:43938] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel &
fish sales in the UK.
From: Jeremiah MacGregor <jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com>
Date: Sun, March 15, 2009 3:56 pm
To: "U.S. Metric Association" <usma@colostate.edu>
So Ken is right. You are pawning off an obsolete vehicle as something new and modern.Jerry
From: Stephen Humphreys <barkatf...@hotmail.com>
To: U.S. Metric Association <usma@colostate.edu>
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 4:23:54 PM
Subject: [USMA:43917] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
And there was me hoping someone would have guessed by now (apart from the Model-T ford guess by 'a.k.a.' of course!!).It's a Mini - *not* that big BMW versions either!Basically I'm a bit of a car 'nut' (pun probably intended) and my 1993 mini forms part of my 'fleet' so to speak. I risk going badly off topic so for more details that branch to car enthusiasm please go 'off the list' !!
From: br...@bjwhite.net
To: barkatf...@hotmail.com
CC: usma@colostate.edu
Subject: RE: [USMA:43912] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:08:32 -0700
So what make and model vehicle is this Stephen?-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [USMA:43912] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel
& fish sales in the UK.
From: Stephen Humphreys <barkatf...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, March 15, 2009 1:05 pm
To: "U.S. Metric Association" <usma@colostate.edu>
It's 15/16ths - I tried fitting 'close' other measures but it wont't work.The reason I tried it because buying one 15/16" socket for one sump plug is uneconomical. But I ended up buying one from Halfords because I did not want to risk rounding off the nut. The socket is marked 15/16" because that's the size of it - as is the sump plug. That is, 15/16". I carry both metric and imperial spanners so I never have to bodge a job just because of some odd idea of a measurement war extremity.
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:06:41 -0700
From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Subject: Re: [USMA:43837] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
To: barkatf...@hotmail.com; usma@colostate.edu
I had no idea what a sump plug was, thinking it may have been a British term for spark plug. 15/16 sounds like an odd size and thus seems like an approximation for 24 mm.This web page on sump plugs is all metric which leads me to believe yours is too.This page says that both wrench sizes will work:I'm sure your instructions said 24 mm or 15/16 in and you omiited the part about the 24 mm.Jerry
From: Stephen Humphreys <barkatf...@hotmail.com>
To: U.S. Metric Association <usma@colostate.edu>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 1:21:19 PM
Subject: [USMA:43837] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
It's a sump plug.And it's 15/16ths (not 5/16ths).Does this help?
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 06:53:05 -0700
From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Subject: [USMA:43808] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
To: usma@colostate.edu
5/16 is 7.9375 mm. An 8 mm socket would fit and the less than 0.0625 mm difference would not be noticed. I have also seen 1/2 inch wrenches and sockets fit a 13 mm head even though the 1/2 inch is smaller then 13 mm. It would seem that the 1/2 inch sockets are really 13 mm ones in disguise.Thus I would not be surprised if a socket labeled as 5/16 inches was really 8 mm in disguise.According to this thread:Spark plugs are metric, so it would be a true 8 mm.You can even buy spark plug taps with a metric thread.Here is a whole set of spark plug taps, all metric:http://buy1.snapon..com/catalog/item.asp?item_ID=9721&group_ID=1154Or are you trying to tell us you still drive a model T which did use inch based spark plugs?Jerry
From: Stephen Humphreys <barkatf...@hotmail..com>
To: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com; usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 8:31:32 AM
Subject: RE: [USMA:43788] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
It would not work - you have to buy a 15/16ths socket as per instructions
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:39:49 -0700
From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Subject: [USMA:43788] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
To: usma@colostate.edu
Are you sure it isn't really 8 mm and you are just approximating it?Jerry
From: Stephen Humphreys <barkatf...@hotmail.com>
To: Jeremiah MacGregor <jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:08:15 PM
Subject: RE: [USMA:43759] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
mixed
My sump plug is 15/16ths
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:03:06 -0700
From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Subject: Re: [USMA:43759] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
To: barkatf...@hotmail.com
Then what units are cars made in if not metric units?Jerry
From: Stephen Humphreys <barkatf...@hotmail.com>
To: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:57:15 PM
Subject: RE: [USMA:43759] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK...
No because they're not
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:48:17 -0700
From: jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com
Subject: [USMA:43759] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
To: usma@colostate.edu
So do you discuss cars in metric since cars are only made in metric units all over the world?Jerry
From: Stephen Humphreys <barkatf...@hotmail..com>
To: U.S.. Metric Association <usma@colostate.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:25:46 AM
Subject: [USMA:43670] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
Sounds like we have some car enthusiasts on the list :-D
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:37:31 -0700
To: usma@colostate.edu
From: br...@bjwhite..net
Subject: [USMA:43668] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
Funny. All of my cars have been manual transmissions (including my Audi Allroad and my BMW 540i...both 6-speed manuals).
It took me getting a British vehicle to have an automatic. :) (A Range Rover Classic I picked up for $500, fixed it up a little bit and have since put 16,000km on it since I bought it a year ago.) I wish it was a manual transmission, but they never imported manuals to the US.
But, I have 7 other cars, and they are all manual transmissions....
At 20:24 2009-03-10, Carleton MacDonald wrote:
I’ve actually driven a manual transmission car most of my life: MG 1100, VW Beetle, two Rabbits, two Saab 900s (and two motorcycles mixed in). The car I have now (and have had since 2002), a 1999 Saab 9-5, is the first automatic I’ve ever owned.
Metric related: Unlike most American cars, the km markings on the speedometer of the 9-5, inside the mile ones, are lit at night and can be read.
Carleton
From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [ mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Humphreys
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 05:50
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:43627] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
Congrats are due to you for mastering the use of a manual gearbox! I think that's more of an achievement than road placement (based upon most Americans driving Automatics).
> From: carlet...@comcast.net
> To: usma@colostate.edu
> Subject: [USMA:43622] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish sales in the UK.
> Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:18:29 -0400
>
>
> I remember the first time I rented a car in the UK. October 1982,
> Edinburgh, Scotland, British Rail Waverley Station.
>
> Left my wife Susan at the bed and breakfast, took a bus downtown, went to
> the station, to the Godfrey Davis office. A kind, pretty young woman (I was
> young then too) had me fill out the paperwork then gave me the keys. I
> thanked her, opened the door, got in, and sat down. On the left side.
> Where's the steering wheel? Oh, right. Got out, closed the door, glanced
> at the booth: she was inside, hand on her mouth, suppressing a laugh.
> Walked round the back of the car, got in the right side, sat down, felt the
> shift with my left hand, started the car, said a very significant Anglican
> prayer, put the car in gear, and headed out, saying to myself, "Drive on the
> left. Drive on the left. Drive on the left. Drive on the left ..." Headed
> back to the bed and breakfast, scared to death. Picked up Susan, headed out
> of town toward the bridge over the Firth of Forth. Stopped, took picture of
> the famous railway bridge. Started up again, found myself making a left
> turn to the right side of the intersecting road, corrected quickly, too
> quickly, hit a stone kerb, blew out the left front tire, stopped to change
> it.
>
> Somehow we got through the three days without hitting anything, and it even
> included a distillery tour, a steam train ride, and a night in Glencoe,
> where my ancestors got massacred in 1692.
>
> Carleton
>
> P.S. When we got back to San Francisco we went to the store and Susan
> bought soup; I told her to put the Campbell's soup back on the shelf!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [ mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf
> Of Paul Trusten, R.Ph.
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 21:02
> To: U.S. Metric Association
> Cc: U.S. Metric Association
> Subject: [USMA:43620] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel & fish
> sales in the UK.
>
>
> Ah, but the rule of the road is in the eye of the beholder. Left-siders must
> think the rest of the world has it backwards.
>
> Quoting Brian J White <br...@bjwhite.net>:
>
>>
>> I think you brits should also fix your cars and
>> roads so you drive on the correct side of the road. But that's just me.
> :)
>>
>>
>> At 15:54 2009-03-09, Stephen Humphreys wrote:
>>>Sorry  - I think you might have the wrong person.
>>>I'm not anti-metric - I'm a pro-choicer.
>>>
>>>The most 'extreme' views I hold on the subject regards safety....
>>>
>>>I have always said and always been firm that:
>>>
>>>1) Road signs should stay imperialÂ
>>>2) Medicines and chemist goods should always be metric
>>>
>>>Both of these relate to safety concerns.
>>>
>>>For most other things (in fact prob all) I
>>>prefer the dual route or a flexible degree of choice.
>>>
>>>This may put me at odds with many on this list
>>>but I'm always truthful and up front about it
>>>and as many many have said it is healthy to have
>>>a contrary view here for purposes of debate.
>>>
>>>With regards to the USA - I actually believe it
>>>should be more metric than it is.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Paul Trusten, R.Ph.
> Public Relations Director
> U.S. Metric Association (USMA), Inc.
> www.metric.org
> 3609 Caldera Boulevard, Apartment 122
> Midland TX 79707-2872 US
> +1(432)528-7724
> mailto:trus...@grandecom.net
>
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