As with most entendres, there is always the exaggeration.  This would prove to 
be true with his records as they were never 12 inches (=305 mm) but only 302 mm 
in the US.  He exaggerated his size by 3 mm.  

Maybe not much, but when there are those who like to attach precision to 
English units, here is proof where the precision does not exist.  

Jerry
 



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From: Carleton MacDonald <carlet...@comcast.net>
To: U.S. Metric Association <usma@colostate.edu>
Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2009 6:00:13 PM
Subject: [USMA:44344] RE: Records


For the first 38 years of my life I lived in San Francisco.  To get home I took 
the streetcar out Market St then into the tunnel; or I drove out Market St. 
then over the hill.
 
About three blocks northeast of Castro and Market Sts., the end of the straight 
(line of the street, not the neighbors) part of Market St., there was a 
second-story audio shop that would record bands, etc. and make vinyl records 
for them (this was before CDs).  He had a sign in his window that gave the name 
of his company, an image of an LP record, and the phrase, “The Best 12 Inches 
in San Francisco.”  In that neighborhood, of course, double, triple and 
quadruple entendres were fully in play, not only for his shop, but for most of 
the other stores in the Castro.
 
Carleton
 
From:owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of 
br...@bjwhite.net
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 00:22
To: U.S. Metric Association
Cc: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:44321] RE: Records
 
Interesting.   In my opinion this is one of those situations where the inch 
term can still be used even if the US was totally metric.  Nothing wrong with 
calling an album a 12 inch.   (Technically the 33 is a 33 1/2 rpm album...)
 
Speaking of that, the Ice-T song "I'm your pusher" had a little dialogue in 
which a supposed drug user is asking Ict-T for some drugs and Ice-T responds, 
"I can hook you up with a twelve inch."   
 
I do agree with you Jerry that mostly in the US we say 45s and LPs vs the size. 
 However, there are many instances (usually corner cases) where inches were 
used.
 
I remember back in the day, during my hardcore punk listening days, bands would 
"cut a 7 inch".   At the same time, you'd get special remixes usually on a "12 
inch".   I still have a handful of 7 inch records cut by small indie 
bands....and also a full 12" extended mix of Michael Jackson's Billie Jean.  
 
.....and lots of times when these extended mixes would be released on CDs, 
they'd be refered to as 12" extended mix.   I have quite a few Depeche Mode 
special issues with these references, although to be fair, mostly they were 
reissues containing UK dance hall remixes or were UK imports to begin with.
 
With regards to your measurements though, lots of my vinyl is of different 
construction.  Some are very thick, heavy, and brittle.  Others are thin, 
floppy and seem to be able to be bent strongly without cracking.   Looking at 
and holding these albums, they have slightly different lip edges which could 
easily account for 3mm.   
 
I'd be curious to take a larger measurement sampling.    But considering the LP 
(the 33 1/2 rpm album, 12 inch) was designed by an American company, I don't 
doubt it was designed to inches.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [USMA:44320] Records
From: Jeremiah MacGregor <jeremiahmacgre...@rocketmail.com>
Date: Fri, April 03, 2009 8:38 pm
To: "U.S. Metric Association" <usma@colostate.edu>
It seems the 45  min^-1 record is 60 years old.  
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/08/business_the_seven_inch_single/html/1.stm
 
This is one of those remnants that extremists get excited over because the 
record mentioned is called by an inch name, even though it is incorrect.
 
In the US we never called records by their inch size.  We always called them by 
their speed.
 
We had the 45 min^-1 singles, 33-1/3 long playing and the older 78 min^-1.  
Everyone knows them simply as 45s, 33s and 78s.  Never anthing else.
 
Yet extremists falsely claim these to be inch based because they were falsely 
given inch names.
 
I happen to have a sample of all three record types and I can honestly state 
that none are to the measurements the extremists drool over.
 
My 45s are 175 mm.  7 inches is 178 mm.  Thus the records are 3 mm shorter then 
their inch name claim.
 
My 33s are 302 mm.  12 inches is 305 mm..  Thus the records are 3 mm shorter 
then their inch name claim.
 
My 78s are 250 mm.  10 inches is 254 mm.  Thus the records are 4 mm shorter 
then their inch name claim.
 
I believe that outside the US 33s are 300 mm exactly.  Some of you on this list 
who do not come from the US may be able to check their record collection and 
verify the diameters.  
 
The 17.5 cm disc was originally designed by Emile Berliner of Germany and he 
chose the metric size as standard and the inch sizes were the closes 
the English could come up with, but even with inch names they never changed the 
sizes Berliner chose to the rounded inch sizes they named them. 
 
 
Berliner arranged for the first gramophones to be made in Europe during the 
trip to Germany 1889-90. According to Raymond Wile, "It was in Germany that the 
first commercial beginnings of the gramophone occurred - presumably in July 
1890. The toy makers Kammer and Reinhardt in Waltershausen (Thuringia) began to 
market small hand-propelled gramophones and a talking-doll. For the doll, a 
small 8 centimeter disc was prepared, and for the regular machine a 12.5 
centimeter disc. The records were available in three substances during the 
period they were marketed. Without adequate documentation it is impossible to 
determine if the copies made in hard rubber or celluloid were contemporaneous, 
or which substances had precedence. For an additional price, zinc discs also 
were available. The records were produced by two companies, one known solely by 
the initials GFKC, the other was the Rhenische Gummi und Celluloid Fabrik 
Werkes of Necharan, Mannheim. The machines
 and records also were imported into England, notably by J. Lewis Young, but 
were available for only a few years in both countries" (Wile 1990 p. 16). As a 
result, Berliner's efforts led to the establishment of Deutsche Grammophon 
Gesellschaft (DGG, later to become PolyGram).
 
http://history.sandiego..edu/gen/recording/berliner.html
 
Thus despite the corrupted names, vinly records are a true metric invention.
 
Jerry


      

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