John: It is unfair of you to accuse me of false paradigm. I clearly specified NORTHEAST. Also, you neatly forgot about the delivery charge with your 3 cents that I included.
Speaking of the numerical data in the paper, you should assume that I would publish SAE and EPA measurements rather then those of a prejudiced owner who may also be "a driver who does not need breaks."☺ When you specify: Since we get about 7 km/kW.h in the summer (less in extremely cold snaps in Minnesota), you are following the usual language trick of el. cars fans by giving a number for the summer usage only. Besides, why to call winter an "extremely cold snap?" As a member of SAE, I am insulted by your denial of its finding illustrated in the first graph. Having tax-and rate-payers to provide the money that cover the various el. cars credits, tax brakes, and subsidies is not something I'd be proud of. Actually, I'd be ashamed to take other peoples' money. Cheers. Stan On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 7:38 PM, John Dunlop <jrdun...@igc.org> wrote: > Hi Stan, > > Unfortunately, you presented a false paradigm. The 20 c/kW.h electric > rate you used for charging the Leaf is nearly twice the national average > electric rate. Furthermore, many utilities have programs that enable EV > owners to charge during off-peak times. We have Time of Use rates at our > home, which means that we only pay 3 c/kW.h for electricity used from 9 > p.m. to 9 a.m., the period during which we charge our Leaf. Since we get > about 7 km/kW.h in the summer (less in extremely cold snaps in Minnesota), > that equates to less than a half a cent per kilometer -- untouchable by a > gas-fired vehicle. > > John > > > At 10:18 2016-01-27, Stanislav Jakuba wrote: > > A good news - with gasoline cheaper, everything is cheaper. Like you, I > have now been filling the gas tank of my Honda Civic at less that 1/2 the > price I payed when I wrote the attached article. The treatise compared the > cost of energy for powering electric Nissan Leaf vs.  gasoline Honda > Civic. I did  the calculations for $3.50/gal and 0.2 $/kWh. At those > prices the cost of energy was about the same between the two cars. The > article ended with a note specifying that should gasoline price drop to a > half, the Civic would drive twice as far per dollar as the Leaf. > Unexpectedly, that is the situation today. > > I am attaching that article should you want to check the above statement. > Also, reading it will help you understand under which conditions such > comparisons are valid as no universally applicable numbers are possible. > > Notice the SI units throughout. > Stan J. > Content-Type: application/msword; name="Leaf Nissan.doc" > Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Leaf Nissan.doc" > X-Attachment-Id: f_ijx16eir0 > > _______________________________________________ USMA mailing list > USMA@colostate.edu > https://lists.colostate.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/usma > > > John Dunlop > 612-377-3270 office > 612-590-5538 cell phone > jrdun...@igc.org >
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