Thank you Mike. I love comments with numbers. Please allow me to copy and send the first two paragraphs to a bunch of non-USMA friends interested in cars. I will not identify your name. Best regards, Stan
On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Michael Payne <[email protected]> wrote: > Stan, > > I’ve got a couple of contributions to make to your data, this gained from > 18 months of operating a Renault Zoe, the european equivalent of the Nissan > Leaf (Renault is tied up with Nissan on a lot of projects). Here in France, > fuel is more expensive than the USA, today it’s 1,269€/litre or about > $5,27/Gallon at todays exchange rate of 1,098 USD/EUR. I hasten to mention > that in France there is no annual road tax, no further licence fee, it’s > all in the price of fuel. No matter how long I own the car, there is no > annual fee to pay except a vehicle safety inspection every 2 years at any > garage i choose. > > Now as for the Zoe. I pay including Tax about 0,15 c/kWh at home. All > Nuclear power in France, so zero emissions from the power plant. In summer > I have a range of roughly 180 km and in Winter about 130 km, the difference > is that the car has a heat pump that operates in winter and it consumes > battery power. The instrumentation in the car says I use 12,7 kWh/100 km in > Summer and presently about 16,9 kWh/100 km in Winter. Note, the winters in > the south of France are quite mild, we have so far only had 3 nights this > winter where it’s been down to 0˚C, mostly it’s about 4-8˚C at night, it > has not yet got below -1˚C. Note my energy consumption is less than the EPA > estimate by a considerable margin, I get 50% more range than the EPA in > Summer and 12% more in Winter. Some of my summer drives have included 5 > occupants and a couple of case of wine in the car, visits to old castles > and wineries, with 160 km covered without recharge and 20 km until “empty” > when I get home. > > In summer it cost me about 1,90€ in electricity per 100 km or 19€ per 1000 > km. In winter it cost me 2,53€ per 100 km or 25,35 per 1000 km. The vehicle > has automatic temperature control, I set it on 21˚C and leave it there. > > In summer I operate the Air Conditioning as necessary and remarkably it > does not seem to reduce the range, I’m not sure why? The other cost saving > is that there is no maintenance, there is no oil change, no transmission > oil, the only scheduled maintenance is getting the battery capacity checked > and getting the filter changed for the passenger compartment. If I want to > drive further than the range of the vehicle I drop into any Renault dealer > and plug in for a FREE recharge, with a 43 kW charger this takes about 30 > minutes to 80% and an hour to 100%. The charger I have at home is a 22 kW 3 > phase charger, it takes about 3 hours to charge the battery fully. A 220 V > outlet takes about 12 hours. Couple this with the 10000 € rebate for buying > the car and it’s a good deal. > > I think your data has an obvious bias toward petroleum powered cars. I’d > have written a year ago but wanted to figure out what I actually used in > energy. In the summer I left the data to accumulate for over 1200 km. Now > I’ve decided that I’ll write down the data and reset the computer on the > 1st of every month, this will give me the average energy used per 100 km > and also the total energy used per month in a logbook, including energy to > heat and cool the car inside. > > Regards, > > Mike Payne > > Lieu dit Gasquet > 82400 Montjoi > France. > > > On 27 Jan 2016, at 17:18, Stanislav Jakuba <[email protected]> wrote: > > A good news - with gasoline cheaper, everything is cheaper. Like you, I > have now been filling the gas tank of my Honda Civic at less that 1/2 the > price I payed when I wrote the attached article. The treatise compared the > cost of energy for powering electric Nissan Leaf vs. gasoline Honda Civic. > I did the calculations for $3.50/gal and 0.2 $/kWh. At those prices the > cost of energy was about the same between the two cars. The article ended > with a note specifying that should gasoline price drop to a half, the Civic > would drive twice as far per dollar as the Leaf. Unexpectedly, that is the > situation today. > > I am attaching that article should you want to check the above statement. > Also, reading it will help you understand under which conditions such > comparisons are valid as no universally applicable numbers are possible. > > Notice the SI units throughout. > Stan J. > <Leaf Nissan.doc>_______________________________________________ > USMA mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.colostate.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/usma > > > > _______________________________________________ > USMA mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.colostate.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/usma > >
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