Hi Ofer,
Take a look at the Ettus source code gps_ctrl.cpp.  In particular, look at
the get_sentence() usage which in the case of "gps_time" waits for the next
occurrence (wait=true),  but for the others does not wait.  But this
doesn't fully explain the behavior you are seeing.  If you do the following:
1) wait for PPS time to change
2) read the "gps_time" sensor
3) set_time_next_pps (use the value you just read)
It should still work because the "gps_time" command should just wait until
the next PPS.  I guess it depends upon how "synchronized" are the received
NMEA string with the PPS edge.  Step 1 above waits for the PPS edge, but
maybe the NMEA string arrives 0.1 secs before or after that.  I don't
really know.  Perhaps you need to switch to using "gps_gpgga" such that
there is no additional wait added and also perhaps you should add step 1B
which would be just a fixed delay of perhaps 0.4 secs so that you will read
the NMEA string in between the PPS edges.
Rob

On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 1:22 PM Rob Kossler <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Ofer,
> I don't know why the "gps_time" sensor takes long to read. But, can you
> try the other sensors (perhaps there is a "gps_gpgga" sensor?)?  The time
> is embedded in these as well.
> Rob
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:21 PM Ofer Saferman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Marcus Hi,
>>
>> If the gps_time "sensor" returns a value only once per second how come I
>> manage to read it sometimes in less than 1 second?
>> In my code the situation is worse than the simple example below. It
>> usually takes more than 1 sec. to read it and sometimes even 1.7 or 1.8
>> seconds. I don't understand how the size or complexity of the code affects
>> the time it takes to read gps_time.
>>
>> How to treat your comment about the use of GPSD and good synchronization
>> as it relates to code?
>> Should I not change the time source in code and go through the whole
>> process of synchronization using gps_time?
>> Can I "assume" the systems are synced just by the effect they were
>> connected enough time to a GPS antenna? and then just access their time -
>> radio_ctrl->get_time_last_pps()?
>> How to use this information programmatically?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ofer Saferman
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Marcus D. Leech" <[email protected]>
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Cc:
>>> Bcc:
>>> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 09:19:20 -0400
>>> Subject: [USRP-users] Re: Intermittent problem with GPS synchronization
>>> for multiple E310 units
>>> On 03/31/2021 06:49 AM, Ofer Saferman wrote:
>>> > Hello,
>>> >
>>> > I have a system that uses 4 USRP E310 units.
>>> > Each unit is connected to a GPS antenna.
>>> > Time source is set to gpsdo.
>>> >
>>> > I run the same software remotely on all 4 units from a PC. Software
>>> > runs on the units themselves.
>>> > I print out messages to show if the reference is locked and the GPS is
>>> > locked and also what is the GPS time that each unit was synchronized
>>> to.
>>> > In some cases the units synchronize to the same GPS time and in other
>>> > cases there is 1 second difference between GPS time of different units
>>> > thus causing the units to be unsynchronized.
>>> >
>>> > I was wondering how this was possible.
>>> > The synchronization process (documented by others in the past on the
>>> > mailing list) is:
>>> > * Wait for ref and GPS lock
>>> > * Wait for a pps edge (get_time_last_pps)
>>> > * Read gps_time value
>>> > * Sync system clock to GPS clock on next PPS edge (set_time_next_pps +
>>> > 1.0 sec)
>>> >
>>> > Something similar is also implemented in the sync_to_gps example.
>>> >
>>> > In order to debug the problem I decided to time the reading of the
>>> > gps_time sensor to see if there is a clue why different units miss the
>>> > PPS edge and lock to a time of the next second.
>>> >
>>> > I was very surprised to find out that it takes between 0.9 to 1.2
>>> > seconds to read the gps_time sensor.
>>> > This explains exactly why it is difficult to synchronize multiple
>>> > units to the same time instance because if one unit takes 0.9 seconds
>>> > to read the sensor and the other unit takes 1.2 seconds to read the
>>> > sensor then each unit will lock on a different GPS time 1 second apart.
>>> >
>>> > Here is a short software I wrote to time the gps_time sensor reading:
>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------
>>> > #include <uhd/utils/safe_main.hpp>
>>> > #include <uhd/device3.hpp>
>>> > //#include <uhd/usrp/multi_usrp.hpp>
>>> > #include <uhd/types/sensors.hpp>
>>> > #include <boost/program_options.hpp>
>>> > #include <boost/format.hpp>
>>> > #include <chrono>
>>> > #include <iostream>
>>> >
>>> > namespace po = boost::program_options;
>>> >
>>> > int UHD_SAFE_MAIN(int argc, char *argv[]){
>>> >
>>> > std::string args;
>>> >
>>> >     po::options_description desc("Allowed options");
>>> >     desc.add_options()
>>> >         ("help", "help message")
>>> > ("args", po::value<std::string>(&args)->default_value(""), "device
>>> > address args")
>>> >     ;
>>> >
>>> >     po::variables_map vm;
>>> >     po::store(po::parse_command_line(argc, argv, desc), vm);
>>> >     po::notify(vm);
>>> >
>>> >     //print the help message
>>> >     if (vm.count("help")){
>>> >         std::cout << boost::format("Timinig of gps_time: %s") % desc
>>> > << std::endl;
>>> >         return ~0;
>>> >     }
>>> >
>>> > uhd::device3::sptr usrp = uhd::device3::make(args);
>>> > //uhd::usrp::multi_usrp::sptr usrp = uhd::usrp::multi_usrp::make(args);
>>> >
>>> > uhd::sensor_value_t gps_time =
>>> >
>>> usrp->get_tree()->access<uhd::sensor_value_t>("/mboards/0/sensors/gps_time").get();
>>> > //uhd::sensor_value_t gps_time = usrp->get_mboard_sensor("gps_time",
>>> 0);
>>> >
>>> > std::chrono::steady_clock::time_point start_time, end_time;
>>> > std::chrono::duration<double> time_diff; // Default unit for duration
>>> > is seconds.
>>> >
>>> > for(int ii=0 ; ii<20 ; ii++)
>>> > {
>>> > start_time = std::chrono::steady_clock::now();
>>> > gps_time =
>>> >
>>> usrp->get_tree()->access<uhd::sensor_value_t>("/mboards/0/sensors/gps_time").get();
>>> > //gps_time = usrp->get_mboard_sensor("gps_time", 0);
>>> > end_time = std::chrono::steady_clock::now();
>>> > time_diff = end_time - start_time;
>>> >
>>> > std::cout << "gps_time[" << (boost::format("%02d") % ii) << "]: " <<
>>> > int64_t(gps_time.to_int()) << ". Time to read \"gps_time\": " <<
>>> > (boost::format("%0.9f") % time_diff.count()) << " seconds" <<
>>> std::endl;
>>> > }
>>> >
>>> >     return 0;
>>> > }
>>> >
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > Here are the results of one typical run:
>>> > gps_time[00]: 1617183840. Time to read "gps_time": 0.884164380 seconds
>>> > gps_time[01]: 1617183841. Time to read "gps_time": 0.877966469 seconds
>>> > gps_time[02]: 1617183842. Time to read "gps_time": 1.170869661 seconds
>>> > gps_time[03]: 1617183843. Time to read "gps_time": 0.882917987 seconds
>>> > gps_time[04]: 1617183844. Time to read "gps_time": 1.172120154 seconds
>>> > gps_time[05]: 1617183845. Time to read "gps_time": 0.879271985 seconds
>>> > gps_time[06]: 1617183846. Time to read "gps_time": 0.878609099 seconds
>>> > gps_time[07]: 1617183847. Time to read "gps_time": 1.115639282 seconds
>>> > gps_time[08]: 1617183848. Time to read "gps_time": 1.125365551 seconds
>>> > gps_time[09]: 1617183849. Time to read "gps_time": 0.843803231 seconds
>>> > gps_time[10]: 1617183850. Time to read "gps_time": 1.125065740 seconds
>>> > gps_time[11]: 1617183851. Time to read "gps_time": 0.847519817 seconds
>>> > gps_time[12]: 1617183852. Time to read "gps_time": 1.121398945 seconds
>>> > gps_time[13]: 1617183853. Time to read "gps_time": 0.844371533 seconds
>>> > gps_time[14]: 1617183854. Time to read "gps_time": 1.124722726 seconds
>>> > gps_time[15]: 1617183855. Time to read "gps_time": 0.845688380 seconds
>>> > gps_time[16]: 1617183856. Time to read "gps_time": 1.129568096 seconds
>>> > gps_time[17]: 1617183857. Time to read "gps_time": 0.882436229 seconds
>>> > gps_time[18]: 1617183858. Time to read "gps_time": 1.168227593 seconds
>>> > gps_time[19]: 1617183859. Time to read "gps_time": 0.881948247 seconds
>>> >
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> > In the code you can find commented out the usual way to access the
>>> > sensor using multi_usrp and get_mboard_sensor. The results are quite
>>> > similar.
>>> >
>>> > I wonder if anybody encountered this issue before or addressed it in
>>> > any way.
>>> > I wonder why it takes so much time to get the value of GPS time when
>>> > it is a simple parsing of an NMEA message coming from the GPS receiver.
>>> >
>>> > I am trying now various tricks to make the software robust and immune
>>> > to this phenomenon. I can report my findings further if I succeed to
>>> > find a workaround if there is any interest.
>>> >
>>> > Can anyone comment on this? Can this be resolved so that the reading
>>> > of gps_time will be much faster?
>>> > Is there another way to get GPS time faster indirectly? Maybe from
>>> > parsing NMEA messages ourselves?
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Ofer Saferman
>>> >
>>> This probably has to do with the way that particular "sensor" works--the
>>> NMEA time value is only emitted once per second, and the
>>>    code for that sensor has some heuristic for determining "freshness"
>>> of the value.
>>>
>>> I'll point out that on E310, the system is configured to use GPSD, so
>>> that the Linux system time across several systems that have all been
>>>    "listening" to GPS for a while will all be synchronized quite well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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