Aaah, I see. :)
It looks like you're addressing all the issues fine, so I have no
gripes. I'll check out the starships lab and you'll probably get a slew
of fixme's. :)
Hans :)
* Michael Torrie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) thus spake:
> Because of my brain-dead junk filter, I've missed half of the conversation.
> Gotta love hotmail. For some reason I still use it...
>
> First off, we are beta testing a lab of RH 7 machines and plan to eventually
> reimage everything. Before you panic, read all the message. The purpose of
> this beta test time is to try to get the setup such that the transition will
> be relatively painless. (No I'm not being facetious here, either).
>
> As for the reasoning, we'll I'll tell you what led up to this.
>
> First off, RH7 itself is *not* broken. Straight off the CD, two important
> components *are* broken, which are fixed (by my and redhat). First the
> GLIBC was a prelimary version of 2.2 (2.1.92 or something) that was broken
> in many ways. This has since been fixed with the official release of glibc
> 2.2. Mandrake 7.2 also ships with this glibc. The biggest gripe was the
> compiler. It has got a lot of problems. It's more ansi compliant too,
> which causes a lot of grief for those of us who depended on the broken gcc
> 2.7 series compiler. I fixed this compiler gripe by going with 2.95
> (essentially a mandrake rebuild).
>
> The C++ standard library that ships with rh 6.2 has a number of problems and
> things unplemented. I was thinking it would be nice to upgrade it a bit.
> The version that ships with GCC 2.95 seemed nice enough, so I wanted to put
> that on. For some reason that I can't recall, I wanted to upgrade the glibc
> (I think there were some threading issues and I had one program that had to
> be compiled against it). Previous to this time I had upgraded rpm (and the
> databse) to rpm 4.0. I got the latest RH rpm for glibc2.2 and installed it,
> along with the Redhat 6.x compatibility libraries (for glibc 2.1). I then
> built a custom version of GCC 2.95.1 to upgrade the compiler. This works
> well and even compiles the kernel! ;) In fact, I haven't found a single
> piece of my C++ code that wouldn't compile.
>
> Another factor was that because my machine (the image) was running rpm 4,
> Helix Gnome updater program completely bombed, saying it couldn't deal with
> rpm 4, being compiled for redhat 6.
>
> Once I had upgrade the GLIBC and the compiler, I realized that I was now
> pretty much running redhat 7, so I went ahead and replaced all the rest of
> the packages with fresh counterparts. That's how I ended up with a RH 7
> (almost -- more like 6.99) distribution. Now helix update works fine too.
> So in a way, it kind of came about by accident. Also interesting is that
> the entire upgrade from rh 6.2 to rh 7 was done without a reboot. I was
> already running a custom kernel. So in otherwords, I did upgrade on a
> package-by-package basis. The end result is more or less rh7, that works.
>
> Some specs:
> Kernel 2.2.18/2.4.2 (having some probs with kernel 2.4)
> - custom build with spiffy boot logo, supermount support
> (see lpp.freelords.org)
> GLIB 2.2
> GCC 2.95
> KDE 2.1 (with anti-aliasing support enabled)
> Ximian Gnome 1.2 (will probably be 1.4 by the time images go out)
> A lot of other software that I need to catalogue.
> Binary compatible with stock rh7 and rh6
>
> As for this not being the time, I don't think it much matters. I can put in
> kernel 2.4 whenever I want, and will do so once I resolve a couple of small
> issues. Redhat 7.1 is almost out and will upgrade the packages as soon as
> they are stable. (All this can be done on all my machines remotely too
> without rebooting -- 7.1 is just rpm upgrades really. I have my own kernel
> already). The biggest concern for us at this point is making sure students
> can transition. CS 240 especially. We'd appreciate if all issues are
> reported to us about problems compiling, missing programs, etc so we can get
> things fixed. The rh7 machines are currently the starships in room 1027.
> Check them out. Give me feedback.
>
> As for enlightenment, I'll put it on my todo list. I thought I had
> installed it on the old image... 16.x, I mean. I'll check on the new image.
>
> That ends the epic of the accidental upgrade to rh7.
>
> Michael
>
> >From: Hans Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >I agree. If it ain't broke don't fix it - and IMHO 7.0 is broke and 6.2
> >isn't.
> >
> >Hans :)
> >
> >* Mark Gulbrandsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) thus spake:
> > > Just my opinion...
> > >
> > > I hope they don't update yet.
> > >
> > > This is not the time to reinstall linux boxes. All of the distributions
> >are
> > > gearing up for new releases that include the 2.4.x kernel as well as the
> > > latest versions of software. Wait for those releases. Its probably
> >only a
> > > month or two away. Update packages on a case by case basis instead.
> > >
> > > Again, just my opinion.
> > >
> > > On Wednesday 14 March 2001 09:26, you wrote:
> > > > Also, does anyone [i.e. the CS folk] know what's going on with the
> >rumours
> > > > about major reinstalls in the CS labs? I've heard they're all getting
> > > > RedHat 7.0 (with a better/older version of g++).
> > > > Few questions:
> > > > 1. Why? Isn't 6.2 good enough?
> > > > 2. What kernel will be used?
> > > > 3. Can I _please_ get a v.16+ version of Enlightenment on there? I
> >don't
> > > > remember if that's default with RH7.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > thanks,
> > > > Ross
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Ammon Skidmore wrote:
> > > > > I've been using vim a lot lately for coding. It's really nice...
> >once
> > > > > you get it configured properly. Lately I've been configuring it
> >like
> > > > > crazy, so I thought I'd share the results of my obsession here. I'd
> >like
> > > > > to hear of any other useful things you've added to your .vimrc...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.skidperfect.com/temp/vimrc.txt
> > > > >
> > > > > note1: syntax hilighting (syntax on) and the gui (vim -g), if I
> >remember
> > > > > right, isn't installed on RedHat by default, and hence the CS labs.
> > > > > You'll have to compile your own (ftp.vim.org).
> > > > >
> > > > > note2: the gui font I've chosen is pretty small (good for lcd
> >screens).
> > > > > you may want to delete that line.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Ammon
> > > > >
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