Update:
Theo De Raadt of the OpenBSD fame responds:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/hidden/newlicense.html
[and whichever other versions are proposed..]
The new license is utterly unacceptable for use in a BSD project.
Actually, I am astounded that the OSI would declare such a license
acceptable.
That is not a license which makes it free. It is a *contract* with
consequences; let me be clear -- it is a contract with consequences
that I am unwilling to accept.
Note that I sell OpenBSD CDs to fund our project. That contract right
there says in term 7:
If Theo accidentally sells a CD to
North Korea, the US can fuck him.
Thanks OSI. Thanks for being so damn patriotic.
It also says in term 4:
Sell this in a product in ways which "we" do not like, and the
contract you have accepted says you can be fucked by anyone
who owns this license later and who decides they want to fuck you.
Who is "we". You don't read term 4 that way? Lawyers I talk to read
it that way. If lawyers I talk to read it that way, why the heck
would I risk ever in the future ending up in a court room with lawyers
who might argue against me like my lawyers suggest might be possible?
I would be stupid to accept such a term. And come on it says "certain
responsibilities". Good god. Are you people dumb to accept such a
term in a legal document? It is like "your house mortgage can be
considered invalid in certain situations and then we own your house".
Or perhaps you guys are utterly blind to what is happening with IBM
and SCO right now.
The license you propose is NOT FREE SOFTWARE. I am astounded the OSI
has gone and decided to become an organization that just rubber stamps
things which are not free. I don't know who they are talking to, but
these "licenses" which they approve are chock full of constraints
against various segments of the user community.
Wisen up plan9 guys -- keep your software commercial or just make it
free. Say "Public domain" or say "Copyright us, do anything except
don't claim someone else wrote it", -- or keep it commercial. These
continual lies wrapped up in contract law are ... such a farce -- why
is it that none of you have the guts to just give it away like the
good people at Berkeley did years and years ago? Are you really that
gutless? Did Kirk and Keith and Kirk really understand something
about freedom which you guys don't? Are all of you really that
trapped that you can't escape the legal frameworks presented to you by
lawyers? Were those Berkeley guys on drugs when they decided to make
all that stuff "free except give us credit", and like wow man,
suddenly all sorts of stuff from sockets to half of libc ended up
being based on their cope. Or is it the plan9 people who hold major
delusions?
We've made OpenSSH so free that it is being included not just in
generic purpose operating systems, but also in routers, switches, and
reportedly soon even in POSTSCRIPT PRINTERS... from *major vendors*...
because we are FED UP with one-off crap security software being put
into these devices; because MY security depends on the security of
YOUR NETWORK DEVICE; hence we would rather supply a complete 'plug and
play' solution that any vendor can just merge into their product
BECAUSE THE LICENSE IS UTTERLY STARK AND CLEAR AND FREE. But
increasingly I am becoming convinces that anyone who has ever worked
for AT&T or Bell Labs does not UNDERSTAND what makes networks more
secure -- and it is, surprise, FREE DISCLOSURE OF THE SIMPLE STUFF.
Were we on Berkeley drugs when we decided to make OpenSSH that free?
Who on this list is using OpenSSH? Who wants to use something less
free instead?
Put another way... do you guys have some kick ass technology that you
want to change the world, or don't you? The latest rave vibe on the
internet appears to be that free software is changing the world a lot.
You don't want to be part of that? Besides being part of all *BSD and
Linux operating systems, OpenSSH is also part of most non-Linux
Unix-like operating systems, but you might have noticed that many of
those systems do not ship with other GNU software by default; like
pick Solaris. Solaris includes OpenSSH. Name some GNU software
included by default, ok? The point is, a SSH server MATTERS. That
there is a free one matters even more.
There's a reason. You write a license like you have written here, and
vendors get afraid. I urge you to write something much simpler.
I am willing to speak this way because after two years of discussion
with plan9 people, it has become clear to me that this compiler will
never be free enough for us to use. If that changes as a result of
this mail, good. If not, fine -- I have given up hope.
I urge everyone in power regarding this issue to think this through --
and then, make your simple compiler which we can build into a trusted
component FREE, or, if you don't, sometime in the next few years
something else which is simple and matches it in power, can and might
and probably will show up (because it is clear the gnu bloat compiler
will never achieve such a goal...)
After all, why would you spend so much effort building something so
kick-ass if in the end very few people use it.
- ---
Below is an example license to be used for new code in OpenBSD,
modeled after the ISC license.
It is important to specify the year of the copyright. Additional years
should be separated by a comma, e.g.
Copyright (c) 2003, 2004
If you add extra text to the body of the license, be careful not to
add further restrictions.
/*
* Copyright (c) CCYY YOUR NAME HERE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*
* Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software for any
* purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the above
* copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies.
*
* THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND THE AUTHOR DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES
* WITH REGARD TO THIS SOFTWARE INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF
* MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHOR BE LIABLE FOR
* ANY SPECIAL, DIRECT, INDIRECT, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES
* WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN
* ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF
* OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS SOFTWARE.
*/
Russ Cox's reply:
> Note that I sell OpenBSD CDs to fund our project. That contract right
> there says in term 7:
>
> If Theo accidentally sells a CD to
> North Korea, the US can fuck him.
You might notice that OSI didn't approve clause 7.
(See http://plan9.bell-labs.com/hidden/osi-diff.html.)
7. EXPORT CONTROL
Recipient agrees that Recipient alone is responsible for compliance
with the United States export administration regulations (and the
export control laws and regulation of any other countries) and hereby
indemnifies the Contributors for any liability incurred as a result of
the Recipients actions which result in any violation of any such laws
and regulations.
If Theo lives in the U.S. and sells a CD to North Korea,
Theo has broken U.S. law regardless of whether section 7 exists.
If Theo lives outside the U.S. and sells a CD to North Korea,
Theo is fine regardless of whether section 7 exists.
> It also says in term 4:
>
> Sell this in a product in ways which "we" do not like, and the
> contract you have accepted says you can be fucked by anyone
> who owns this license later and who decides they want to fuck you.
Where does it say this? I see that if you put our software
in PostScript printers claiming that it's bulletproof and then
it turns out not to be, then it's your butt on the line not ours
since we never said it was bulletproof.
Russ
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From: "Sujan Gautam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:41 AM
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> http://cm.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/
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> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/hidden/newlicense.html
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