Warning - this email is pretty much just to say
"thanks for the help, here's what was wrong and some
helpful tools I used to figure it all out."

Ok - just to let you all know what was wrong with the
myseriously dying computer (since I'm sure everyone is
one the edge of their chair to find out):  It appears
to be a power supply issue - power would dip and cause
erronious writes to the hard drive, I guess.  With a
few devices unplugged and being careful not to stress
the processor (email and word processing don't tend to
put a 100% processor load on the machine, thankfully),
the machine is running fine until I get around to
swapping out the power supply.

I found some pretty good tools online to help test
things out - some open source, some free downloads:

Motherboard Monitor (http://mbm.livewiredev.com/) -
reads temperature and voltage information from the
motherboard sensors.  Unfortunately, windows only. 
Anyone know of a Linux program that does the same?

Memtest x86 (http://www.memtest86.com/) tests the RAM

Docmem (www.simmtester.com) Another RAM test utility

Ontrack Data Advisor
(http://www.ontrack.com/dataadvisor/) - "evaluation
version" checks the hard drive, data (only if in FAT16
or FAT32), and RAM

Hitachi (they bought IBM's hard drive division) has a
hard drive diagnostic "drive fitness test"
(http://www.hgst.com/hdd/support/download.htm)

IBM's website still has it's "IBM enhanced
diagnostics"
(http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?rs=0&q=IBM+Deskstar+60GB+&uid=psg1MIGR-44330&loc=en_US&cs=utf-8&cc=us&lang=en#Affected)

And Maxtor has their "power max" tool:
(http://www.maxtor.com/en/support/downloads/powermax.htm)

Yes, there are alot of hard drive diagnostics here -
but I was convinced it was a hard drive problem at
first, so that's what I had been hunting down.

With any luck, things are going to be working now
without too many problems.  Thanks for all your
suggestions and help!

--Brent N.



--- "Matt W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: "Brent Nordick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > By "the machine is back to failing to boot" I mean
> > that it was completly re-installed with the os and
> > everything was running for about 24 hours - long
> > enough to reinstall software and start to
> reconfigure
> > it.  Then it started to hang at the OS loading
> screen
> > - it will not go any further.  No error messages,
> no
> > "hard drive busy" light - nothing.  The computer's
> > fans are all working, and the hard drive isn't
> making
> > any odd noises.  (Previously, the error that
> caused me
> > to replace the hard drive was bad hard drive
> noises
> > and failure to even find an OS on the hard drive)
> 
> Could be a bad hdd, could be any other bad hardware
> in the computer, could
> be bad drivers trying to load.  I suppose the first
> step would be to check
> out the hdd; scan for bad sectors (as has been
> mentioned).  You can also
> download an intensive hdd diag tool for Matrox hdds
> from their site.
> Booting into Knoppix could also be helpful, or
> trying that Dell diag that
> was mentioned (to find bad hardware).  If you don't
> find any problems, then
> try a re-install.  Oh, you may try booting into
> "safe mode" if possible,
> that would help determine if you're trying to load
> bad drivers (if you don't
> know how to do that, email me off the list).
> 
> Let us know what you come up with.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
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