There's some similar good (in my opinion :-) advice at: http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/
--Dan On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 17:07:38 -0600, "Michael Brailsford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I thought that this was pretty good stuff. It is pretty general and it > sounds solid. I thought maybe someone might benefit from this here. > > ----- Forwarded message from Aaron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- > > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:01:33 -0500 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "Aaron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Work In KC Area? > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > It's all about your attitude. > > > > And the attitude of the employer. It is a two-way street. I'd hire > > someone with experience and no degree before I'd hire a degree with NO > > experience. Most jobs are the other way around. > > > > > > Third. I still, in this economy, get two or three offers a month to > leave > > > my current position for same or better benefits and pay. The jobs are > out > > > there. > > > > Yep, all at Wal-Mart for $5.75 an hour. The businesses that pay poorly > > have high turnover, and those that pay well have little or no turnover. > > Lots of jobs if you don't have a wife, kids, mortgage, car payments, > > school loans to support. Live like a pauper, that's exactly what > > businessmen like in their workers, as they drive home to Leawood in their > > new Lexus. > > I'm not sure how to respond. I don't know if you're employed or not, but > if > not I can probably tell you, from the two statements above, why. > > The fact of the matter is that you need to give the employers a reason > why > they should hire you. They already have jobs. There are LOTS of good > paying tech jobs out there for people with the right qualifications and > attitude. The people who have experience who are having problems are the > people who have been working at someplace like Sprint for the last 5 > tears, > have gottent thier knowlage base into a rut and aren't "cutting edge" > anymore. > > You're right. You might not be able to find a six figure job developing > Linux applications in this market. You might have to settle for $50K a > year > as a Windows admin for awhile. > > I was talking to a friend of mine the other day. He has a Masters Degree > in > Computer Science and 15 years of experience. He's been unemployed for > the > last 4 months. He was basically whining to me about how there were no > jobs > available. I asked him how many resumes he'd sent out. "Thousands" he > replied, "I apply for every job that comes along." > > "Great. How many phone calls have to made?" > > "What do you mean?" > > His problem is he's lazy. Either that or he doesn't know how to apply > for a > job. > > Here is how you get a job. (I should be selling this stuff....) > > 1. Find a company you want to work for or a position that interests you > either through the newspaper, online job searches, friends, reletives, > etc > etc. For the company part. They don't need to have a position open. > > 2. Do a little reaserch on that company. Make sure you know what they > do. > Call the company and ask for a person's NAME in human resources that you > can > submit a resume to. > > 3. Create a personalized cover letter addresses to that person and > explain > why you want to work for them. You're interested in thier products, you > heard they were working on a new application, you admire thier long > history > of quality, etc etc etc.... > > 4. Include a ONE PAGE resume. (if you don't know how to write a resume, > that's another class. :) ) > > 5. E-mail it in MS Word format (Yes, swallow your pride and send it in > Word.) > > 6. The same day (!!!) send a hard copy by mail, addressed to the person > in > the company who's name you got in step 2. > > 7. Wait one week. Chances are you won't get a call. If you do then > that's > even better. After your week, call the company and ask to speak to the > person you sent your resume to. If you get thier voice mail leave a > message > with your name, phone number and tell them you are calling to follow up > on > the letter you sent. (Don't say it's about a job) Call at different > times > of the day once a day for a week. If you don't get ahold of anyone and > they > won't call you back move on to the next job. > > 8. When you get ahold of the person say this - "Hi. This is Buggs > Bunny." > replace Buggs Bunny with your own name please. "I sent a resume in a > week > go for the boot licker position." Please replace boot licker with the > actual > position you're applying for. "I'd like to schedule a time to get > together > and discuss any questions you have regarding my qualifications. Would > the > end of the week be good for you?" > > You didn't beg for an interview. You didn't ask if they got your resume, > the mail is pretty reliable and you sent it two different ways. You > didn't > ask if the position was still open, that gives them an out and you really > didn't make an interview optional for them. You're calling to schedule > YOUR > OWN interview. About 50% of the time you'll catch someone who is SWAMPED > with resumes, trying to sort through them and hasn't had time to get back > to > people, or may just be taking the top 10 off the stack without reading > them. > You have them on the phone. You've already saved them time and done some > of > thier work. 90% of the time they'll say, "Okay, can you come in next > monday > at 2?" > > There you've gotten your interview. Getting through that is a whole > other > e-mail and I have to go. :) I'll do part two later. Just for further > reference. I have never had an interview for a position I wasn't later > offered. > > I know this is all very frustrating and that alot of you have families > depending on you. You can't let the current morket get you down. > > Aaron > > KC Linux Users Group -- to unsubscribe send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Enter without the quotes in body of message "unsubscribe kclug" > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Michael > GnuPG Fingerprint: 4C56 7C23 8BD9 8B39 C4D4 B8F3 42FB 3634 31B5 E963 ____________________ BYU Unix Users Group http://uug.byu.edu/ ___________________________________________________________________ List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uug-list
