On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 06:46:57PM -0600, James Nickerson wrote:
> 
> > > don't seem to be ANY editors except cinelerra, which claims that it's
> > > really powerful, but runs jerkily
> 
> > Do you have DMA enabled for your block device?  And have you looked
> > into Kino?
> 
>       Got DMA enabled.  Hdparm didn't show a big percentage increase in 
> performance, but it's still nice to know it's enabled.  No difference in 
> cinelerra, though.  I can play any sort of video fine using other players, 
> but if I open a video in cinelerra and try to play it not only is it slow, 
> jerky, and without sound, it also gets jacked up and the controls stop 
> working.  
>       I've messed around with kino, but I can't make it capture using v4l and I 
> can't seem to encode files I've captured from anything else in a format it 
> can read.  
>       I want to be able to cut and splice and all that jazz, and ideally to add in 
> special effects (naturally). Right now I'd be satisfied with a decent cut, 
> move, and splicer.  Cinelerra looks cool, if only if would work.  

Kino segfaults for me with V4L.  I refuse to install Cinelerra in my
own system for this reason alone:

``Install RPM's using rpm -i --force --nodeps <package name>''

This is a great way to turn your machine into a Cinelerra-only box.
They may as well let people download a self-bootable CD image.  I'll
think about Cinelerra when it is apt-get'able.

Free Software video editors have some distance to cover before they
will be able to hold a candle to, say, Final Cut Pro.  IMNSHO,
mencoder needs to be spruced up and set as the engine to a decent
front-end.

> > You might also want to try 2.6.0-test6.
> 
>       Maybe I'll do that.  I've heard naught but good things.  It probably won't 
> make any difference, though.  I downloaded the demo of Adobe Premier for 
> windows, and though it doesn't crash, it runs similarly jerkily.  Are you 
> really expected to have a dual processor machine with a gigabyte of ram and a 
> 10k rpm harddrive just to do some simple video editing?

No.  I made a feature-length film in 1997 on a Pentium 133 with 32
megs of RAM, a 1.6GB IDE drive, a 500MB SCSI drive, and a Miro Video
DC1 ISA capture card under Windows 95 and Adobe Premier 4.2.  I worked
with Chris Rawson (the guy who did the Africa documentary Me Nsu Bio
last year - he did this on a G4 though):

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/36367

We exported our video to tape once every 5 or 10 minutes and wiped the
video files, since that's all we could get on the drives before we
were out of space.  We would still get an occasional skip while
playing back from the SCSI drive, but we just cut our loses and moved
on.  Ah, those were the days... :-)

But then Adobe lost all my respect, I learned the value of Free
Software, Chris became a Mac addict, I married a Film major, and the
rest was history.

Let me know how your video editing adventures under GNU/Linux go.

Mike

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