On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 09:58, Ross Werner wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004, Andrew Jorgensen wrote:
> > On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 08:39, Ross Werner wrote:
> > > I would submit to you that Debian and RedHat are "distributions", not 
> > > Operating Systems.
> > 
> > X is not part of the OS. I can have a working usable OS without it.
> 
> It seems you've missed my entire point. You can have a working, usable
> _computer_ without X. You can't have a working, usable _computer_ without
> bash, or libc, or init. You can't have a working, usable _computer_
> without RAM, a CPU, and a motherboard.

Yup, must be. A _computer_ without an OS is just so much silicon. I
still don't see your point.

Yes, I know you can write software that runs directly on the hardware
without any OS at all, that's not what we're talking about here.

> To recap: thought experiment time.
> 
> Let's say I have a "minimal install", the minimum amount required to get
> my computer to run, consisting of the Linux kernel plus some GNU
> utilities. I call this "the Linux OS plus some GNU utilities". You call
> it, when being exactly correct, "the GNU/Linux OS".
> 
> Let's say now I change the system to get rid of all GNU utilities, and 
> use, say, some BSD utilities hacked together to perform the same function.
> 
> Under your definition, now we have a _different_ operating system: "the 
> BSD/Linux OS". In my opinion, it's still the same operating system--only 
> the outer-level utilities have changed.
> 
> Would you honestly term the latter a different operating system?

Absolutely I would. No doubt. This is precisely how I see it. I imagine
this is how RMS sees it as well.


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