>If you need to do these things manually, then what's the point in using
>vala? It's the job of compilers.I got a proposed solution, please say if you 
>agree.

First, make a new attribute called "ClassStruct" with the field 
virtual_methods_total, which is the total virtual methods(used + unused).
This can't be decided automatically, since it doesn't know how many virtual 
methods the developer think of.

Secondly, use a half human half machine file called by default vala_abi_doc, 
which keeps the position of any generated virtual method.
The developer can do this manually before the compiler choose position, or let 
the compiler do this autocratically. The next compiler will
respect the offsets that has been chose. This file of course must be shipped 
with the library.

The first one solve the padding issue, the second solve the ordering issue.

Please share your opinion,
Tal

Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:01:45 +0800
From: pcman...@gmail.com
To: mikkel.kamst...@gmail.com
CC: vala-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Vala] Can adding new virtual method break ABI?

If you need to do these things manually, then what's the point in using
vala? It's the job of compilers.
People who like to do the job of compilers manually should use GObject/C
instead.
Manually filling a virtual function table and calculate offset of
pointers are really of fun. lol
Creating some empty functions for padding is even easier and more readable
IMO.
 
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <
mikkel.kamst...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
> On 12 December 2011 12:15, Jürg Billeter <j...@bitron.ch> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 12:12 +0100, Luca Bruno wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Jürg Billeter <j...@bitron.ch> wrote:
> >>         On Sun, 2011-12-11 at 11:34 +0100, Luca Bruno wrote:
> >>         > 2011/12/11 Tal Hadad <tal...@hotmail.com>
> >>         >
> >>         > > This idea is based on the assumption that the size of
> >>         XClass struct
> >>         > > doesn't matter and can be changed(Am I right?).
> >>         > > Also, how does the virtual method order is currently done
> >>         by Vala? Is it
> >>         > > alphabetic or by the order of the decelerations?
> >>         > >
> >>         >
> >>         > The ordering does not matter, the padding does.
> >>
> >>         Ordering matters as well. Vala uses declaration order.
> >>
> >> We're talking about virtual methods, aren't we? There's no ABI break
> >> if the order of N pointers is exchanged.
> >
> > When a subclass overrides a virtual method, the class_init function uses
> > the offset of the virtual function pointer. If that offset changes, the
> > subclass will need to be recompiled to work again.
>
> Indeed.
>
> Would it make sense to a [CCode (vfunc_padding = "8")] to class
> declarations? This could then be decremented when new virtual
> functions are added (to the end of the class!).
>
> Cheers,
> Mikkel
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