However, I think my more general point remains - the fact that the VM has the flexibility to treat V and V? as, fundamentally, the same thing shouldn't necessarily drive the conclusion that, _at the language level_ there should be a subtyping relationship between V and V?.

From a pedagogical perspective, whether we like it or not, users are immediately going to think in terms of box/unbox, so I think it'd be surprising if the new inline classes and their projections had rules radically different from those which apply to the int/Integer case.

I agree that users are going to first reach for the box/unbox intuition.  So let's talk about what's going to happen there.

Let's assume that `V` translates to `QV` and `V?` translates to `LV`; let's compare the language we get under a subtyping relationship or a boxing conversion.  (Either way, we get V? <: Object.)

The box intuition says you can lock on a box (though we discourage it.)  But locking on a V? will result in an exception.  (Same for wait/notify.) The box intuition says that == on a box is an identity comparison. But a V? has no identity (it did in Q-world, not in L-world.) The box intuition says you can create a weak reference of a box. But you cannot for a value.

So there are multiple ways in which the box intuition _already_ leads users down the wrong road, regardless of whether it is subtyping or not.

One big difference between whether we convert V to V? via subsumption or via a boxing conversion is how overload selection is done.  But, if we have methods m(Object) and m(V?), and it is invoked with a v, in the subtyping case, we'll select m(Object), and in the conversion case, we'll select m(V?).  But it's not clear that this is what we want -- I would think to most people, V? feels "more specific" than Object.  The rules regarding "try first without boxing" exist solely for compatibility; they are not necessarily the rules we would have wanted had we started with autoboxing in 1.0.

If we define the relationship between V and V? as boxing, then equality comparisons between V and V? similarly have to go through boxing.  This is doable, but under subtyping, it is simpler -- do they refer to the same value.

Overall, I'm not really seeing much of value (that joke never gets old) for the "it's a boxing conversion" route; it's more complexity in the language, but the boxing intuition is not really serving the user very well in the first place.


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