Zooming out, what we've been trying to do is shake out the places where the JVM treats primitives and references differently, and aligning them, so that we are able to broaden the approach of "generics erase T to Object" to include inlines and primitives.  The war cry might be:

    Object is the new Any

L-World does much of this for inlines, but we don't want to leave primitives out in in the cold in the programming model; being able to get good behavior for Foo<Point> but not the same for Foo<int> would be a missed opportunity to provide a uniform programming model.  Much of this is either handled by existing L-World behavior (e.g., behavior of ==), but this seam is one that needs to be covered.  We can cover some in the static compiler (conversions between I and Qint) but when it comes to arrays, the invariance of arrays would expose our tricks, and we'd have to have awful restrictions like "you can't use arrays in generics."

Note that [I and [QInteger$val have the exact same layout, so it is really a matter of treating the two type names as referring to the same underlying runtime type.

On 6/19/2020 1:07 PM, Tobi Ajila wrote:

> Because arrays have identity (not to mention potentially large copying costs), there is simply no reasonable conversion we can define; any "conversion" would involve copying all the data, changing identity, or both.  Just as with the array subtyping requirements (Point[] <: Point.ref[] <: Object[]), these are things only the VM can do for us.

I suspected that this was likely due to the large cost of converting between `[I` and `[java/lang/Integer$val`. However, I am still a little unclear as to what the motivation is for this. Is this solely for specialized generics?

In Dan's examples with `I` and `java/lang/Integer$val`, the only places where conversions are needed are when primitives are used as type parameters or to call instance methods on them, both of which can already be done with primitive arrays. So in the LW3 - LW20 timeframe would we have any need for these conversions? If so, could you provide some examples?

In the case of specialized generics, is the intention that `[I` (and I suppose `I` as well) will appear in generic code?


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