"At the end of the day, someone writes some software, they are entitled to
have it protected by copyright and sell it, yes - for a profit, it might
not be good code, it might be excellent code, but they are still entitled
to sell it."

For 90 years plus their life time, that was never the intent of copyright.
Software should have never been allowed to be copyrighted, patented maybe,
but not copyrighted. If what you are saying was true thatn the Internet
should have been copyrighted and we should all be paying royalties
everytime we use it. This is a typical Amerikan Cultural argument that
their way is the best or only way and everyone else is wrong who thinks
anything different. You choose the software you want and I will choose
mine. In any case I have tested OEM versions of Microshit software on
virtual  machines, and they are inherently less secure than Linux software
or my hacked version of Microshit. You can do the same thing with your
Windows box legally by hacking the Registry keys and if you do not know
that then you can trust Microshit OEM software for all of your needs and
incidently go run all of your Virtual Machines in Microshit Virtual PC, see
how much better that will be. I have never had my Linux, Solaris or BSD
boxes exploited by malware in the way that my Microshit machines have
constantly been. The problem is the way Microshit stuff is designed, and
you can change that by deciding what runs when the machine boots up, and
what is allowed to run with your permission. Then there is the let's
integrate our desktop closely with all of your applications so we can make
it harder for software which is not desiigned by Microshit to run in its OS
but easier for someone to compromise my machine. They made a marketing
decision to build unsecure suystems and then were forced to play catchup
with security issues. Eventually the OS will all be Open Source and then we
will not be having this discussion. The reality is that in many areas of
the world, people do not have the money to pay for Microshit products and
they have tried various tactices, including selling localized versions for
lower cost. If they have the right to make a profit than others have the
right to create an Open Source windows, Oh that is happening, check out
React OS, you can download a Virtual Box image, it runs much faster than
Microshit and probably is more secure.

Gerry


On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Giles Coochey <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 28/03/2012 21:08, Gerard Arthus wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> You are right about buying the computer with windows pre-installed, but I
>> have a separate license and only have windows 7 as a virtual machine
>> running on a Linux box. Actually the hacked version runs much better and is
>> more secure than the OEM version.
>>
>
> I really don't see how you can say that that security a version of
> software obtained from an unverifiable source is better than version from
> the from certified developer.
> How secure something is, is a notion at a given point in time. Invariably,
> there will be bugs, bugs will leads to security flaws, and flaws will lead
> to vulnerabilities. We will look back in 5 years time in disbelief that all
> our systems were wide open to exploitation.
>
>
>  Most of the malware comes in through accessing certain registry key, turn
>> of those keys and you can virtually run Windows XP or 7 without malware
>> protection.
>>
> Nonsense, the vectors of exploitation are varied and many. Malware evolves
> as quickly as developers plug those vectors.
>
>  I have seen many instances of windows ISO downloads that are corrupted
>> from their own site.
>>
> Funny, I have a technet subscription, and I've not had a single corrupted
> download, ever...
>
>  I do not lose sleep over copyright issues where windows is concerned
>> since they are responsible for more wasted man-hours due to their fixation
>> on making a profit at any price.  If you think you only own the plastic,
>> then join the sheeple and pay the corporate scumbags all the money that you
>> want. All of my intellectual work is in the Public Domain and I do not
>> force people to pay for it. You only think that you own the plastic because
>> that is what you are told, but as you do have the right to lend that
>> plastic out, you also should have the right to lend out a digital copy.
>>
> This is probably a political argument and I should not really get
> involved. In most of the countries on this planet, the licensing of
> software is protected by law. Those who breach that law risk extradition to
> the country upholding the licenser and jail. So you might not be losing
> sleep now, but you will be when someone in prison decides to make you his
> bitch.
>
>
>> Cloud computing and virtual machines will eventually put an end to such
>> myopic visions of control,  regardless of what our corporate master believe
>> or say.
>>
>>  Actually - I feel that Cloud Computing is a prime example of a vision of
> control - the cloud provider wants to sell you his system, which in the
> past was something you actually owned in a physical sense. I don't think
> that Virtual Computing has any relevance to any free-software movement or
> anti-copyright activism.
>
> At the end of the day, someone writes some software, they are entitled to
> have it protected by copyright and sell it, yes - for a profit, it might
> not be good code, it might be excellent code, but they are still entitled
> to sell it.
>
>
>
>
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