Yeah that’s exactly what I have. I verified it is more than just the backup 
server, it appears to be all policies (or at least all of the ones I checked) 
that are not following exclude files. I opened a critical case with Symantec, 
who of course has not called me back. Big shock there.

From: Lightner, Jeff [mailto:jlight...@water.com]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:04 PM
To: Sanders, Nate (DS); 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu'
Subject: RE: massive catalog growth

The exclude list should be named “exclude_list.<POLICY>” for the specific 
policy name you’re using and is case sensitive (at least for UNIX/Linux it is).

e.g. Here we do an OS policy to get what are mainly OS components of a server 
and exclude application/database specific directories from that then create 
separate policies for specific applications/databases that have their own 
exclude lists.   So for a server named billybob we might have policies:  
BILLYBOB-OS, BILLYBOB-DB and BILLYBOB-BINARIES.   We’d then create an exclude 
list named exclude_list.BILLYBOB-OS.








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From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Nate
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 2:05 PM
To: Sanders, Nate; 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu'
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] massive catalog growth

Great, so it appears NetBackup is actually not respecting my exlcude_list. I 
just ran a test job and realize it is backing up DSSU’s, the catalog and a 
whole bunch of other things that should be and are excluded.

From: Sanders, Nate (DS)
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 12:36 PM
To: Sanders, Nate (DS); Preston, Douglas; 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu'
Subject: RE: massive catalog growth

Thank you all for your suggestions. I think I may have a better explanation now.


1)      600 million new files from the Isilon’s

2)      Turning on TIR for an existing policy that had moved to new storage for 
the images

3)      Improper exclusions on the backup master

After looking at folder sizes in /usr/openv/netbackup/db/images, I realized my 
backup server was damn near the same size as the two Isilon nodes. This seems 
way too large for me. After digging through some config’s I realized my 
existing ‘exclude’ file for the backup host was named to an old policy. In 
other words, I think the OS backup of the master server was including the 
catalog database its self. As it grew, so did the size of the master servers 
backup, as it was now including itself. The inclusion of the massive Isilon’s 
into this catalog, then backing that catalog up, resulting in an even larger 
catalog, became a huge snowball effect.

We do hot catalogs so there’s no need to also be backing up the catalog 
filesystem. I think this was the ultimate cause I was looking for.

Thanks again everyone.


From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Nate 
(DS)
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:50 AM
To: Preston, Douglas; 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu'
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] massive catalog growth

That makes sense for the 600mil image files, and was sort of my guess, but what 
about the existing policy that I simply changed the location of the image from 
DSSU to a Data Domain? Would just that change still warrant a 40GB growth in 
the catalog over a 24 hour period? We were only backing up < 100 unix hosts, I 
would guess.

From: Preston, Douglas [mailto:dlpres...@lereta.com]
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:38 AM
To: Sanders, Nate (DS); 'VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu'
Subject: RE: massive catalog growth

There is an entry per file in the catalog, a million files at 1k each will 
cause more catalog space than a thousand  1tb files

Doug Preston
From: veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-boun...@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Sanders, Nate
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 8:29 AM
To: VERITAS-BU@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] massive catalog growth

As of a few weeks ago we saw our NBU7 catalog explode from 80GB to a peak of 
238GB. My initial belief was this was part of us standing up a 2nd media server 
for the office which was linked to a Data Domain 630. But after reviewing the 
historical graphs, it is very clear this increase happened just a couple weeks 
ago. The obvious thing I started doing 2 weeks ago, is backing up our new 
Isilon cluster and also introduced these backups to a new Data Domain 670. More 
specifically, our Isilon which contains around 600 million image files that are 
less than 128k each.

How in the world could 10TB of image data suddenly cause the catalog to triple 
in size? Yet previously adding 18TB of data from a new media server (the dd630) 
didn’t even cause more than a 20GB increase in the catalog ?

I’m at quite a loss here to understand how this increase happened so quickly. 
The real issue here is that the catalog filesystem has filled up 3 times, 
causing nbpem to crash, and backups to grind to a halt. The last time this 
happened had nothing to do with the Isilon backups, but happened as a result of 
changing the media destination from some existing OS backups to go to a Data 
Domain 670, instead of their old DSSU locations. The isilon also points to this 
same DD670. Could that be the real issue here? Is there something different 
about how the catalog stores information when it resides on a Data Domain?

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