I think we are about 2 1/2 hours from Calloway gardens Do you know the town that the new site will be held?? Thanks, Chuck
Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Romero To: virtual fly box Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 10:42 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Show tying and sales Chuck, this was the last year that the FFF Southeast Council will have their annual Conclave in Callaway Gardens, Georgia. It is being moved to a new site about an hour from Atlanta. But if they don't get it together, it wont be any better than it was in Callaway Gardens. We did the show at Callaway Gardens last year.....and it was a disaster. Most councils (FFF) do a very good job of putting on a Conclave.....some need to start all over from scratch and re-"ThinK" it through. We've done the Northeast Council Conclave, the Southern Council Conclave, the Southeast Council Conclave, the Gulf Coast Council Conclave, the Oregon Council Conclave, the Washington State Council Conclave, the Great Lakes Council Conclave and the FFF International Conclave. Bottom line is to support the FFF.....nothin' goes perfect every time.....people screw up.....bitchin' for bitchin' sake dosen't help much. Most of the time it's a lack of communication and egos that throw a turd in the soup.....what should be done is for survey sheets to be made up and have the councils ask the tyers what they liked and what they didn't. They need feedback to improve their act. But they need to ask for it.....because most tyers are so nice and they do not wanna make waves, so they put up with things they shouldn't have to. And just don't bother to go to "whomever" and let it be know what can be done to improve the situation. Also, the council are ususally not going to incure any over and above expenses they do feel they really need to.....air conditioning cost for example. They have a hard enough time finding a decent venue, and then the "hotel" "fairgrounds" or whoever it might be, wanna sock it to 'em on top of simply the space itself. So, everyone suffers because the idea is to make money.....not spend it. So you end up with doors hanging wide open letting every fly on the planet in, instead of having temp control so everyone can be comfortable and relaxed. Reality is, "common sense, aint common." That's peeps, and there aint a GOT DAMN thing you can do about that. if you don't like the way any one particular show is run or the way your treated. Stay home. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: chuckalexan...@hughes.net To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Show tying and sales Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:20:49 -0600 Tony: I see. That's always been my feeling too. The Sowbug actually seems to appreciate the tiers who come and tie. I have never been to a single show of ANY kind. I still think that there would be no show without tiers, no matter what type show it is. Unless it was a strictly fly FISHING show. Thanks for the info. I'm gonna look it up and see if there are any shows in say, Birmingham or Atlanta that would be close enough for me to make it pretty easily just to see what I'm missing out on.. Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Spezio To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:34 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Show tying and sales Chuck, At every show that I have been Tying Chairman including Conclaves, I have always made that same announcement, "If it were not you tyers, we would not have a show." The Sowbug happens to be a "Tying Show" the Conclaves a "Fund Raising" show and the big shows mostly "Vendors" selling shows. The tying show is for tyers that want to demonstrate their tying methods, strictly voluntary, no one is paid to come. At the Sowbug we do give a free meal to the tyers and spouses. At the smaller tying shows, we have free refreshments. The Conclave is a "Fund Raising" tyer invited show and a vendor show. There is usually a paid known name celebrity that is paid to attend. This is a drawing card for non tying members. The tyers volunteer their time for the cause of the FFF. We feel that we want to help to have members attend to see us tie. We also try to show new ways of tying some flies. It is also educational, with the classes that are held. The Conclaves that I have attended have always given you at least one "Welcoming Party meal" The Commercial shows are for "Selling" We tyers are there for show. I have attended a lot of them and it always cost me more from my pocket than I cared to spend. I never got as much as a sandwich at a commercial show but paid as much as 5.00 for a hot dog. Tony --- On Mon, 11/16/09, chuckalexan...@hughes.net <chuckalexan...@hughes.net> wrote: From: chuckalexan...@hughes.net <chuckalexan...@hughes.net> Subject: [VFB] Re: Show tying and sales To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:05 PM Don: Don't those ppl realize that without tiers there would be NO show??? Geez, Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Ordes To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: [VFB] Show tying and sales Mark et al, Got my invite again to tie at the Oregon Council FFF conclave. As in the past for this show, there's a specific, hilited note in the invite letter that tiers are forbidden to sell materials or fly-fishing related items at their tying tables. If you want to sell such items get in touch with so-and-so for information on booth space. No mention of ANY accomodations or assistance for travelling tiers- no block of rooms reserved (BTW, no expense to council- only motels), no free lunches or tier coffee-stand, no comp. banquet tickets, and shirts are $35. each. How do I say this...nah! I'm surprised that they aren't charging the tiers the door entry-fee. The do come around asking for free flies for show-plate auctions, tho. My motto now: "If I have to pay, I go to play." If I'm going to drop a couple grand to head that way, I'm going fishing and will pop in at the show once or twice, pay the door fee, cruise the isles, and say hi to those I know. Guess I won't be making this show. Rather go fishing in Baja. 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