I would still live in the U.S. by choice than in Canada.
Larry Johnson
Springville, Utah
>>> "Don Ordes" <f...@tribcsp.com> 11/22/2010 12:12 PM >>>
Re: [VFB] bears and gunsAnd on top of that, there's no such thing as an
'illegal weapon' unless they are already a felon and are using a weapon in a
crime and are caught.
My research uncovered that criminals are not by law obligated to register
firearms.
What ya' say?
Yep. It's against the 5th ammendment that they don't have to self-incriminate
themselves by having to registed a gun that they legally can't possess.
Go figure. I have to register my guns, but a felon doesn't.
DonO
----- Original Message -----
From: mel hocken
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] bears and guns
Unfortunately, a lot of fire arm regulation is a knee jerk reaction to an
incident involving a fire arm that is illegal in the first place. The old
mantras (guns do not kill people; people kill people) and (if guns are
outlawed only outlaws will have guns) hold true. Most legislation is done to
satisfy some small group in order to gain a few votes and does not address the
real issues surrounding gun violence. Recently we had a known gang leader's
vehicle searched. This search was conducted with a search warrant. 'The police
were searching for banned substances and evidence which would connect the gang
leader to a multiple homicide. During the search a cache of illegal fire arms
was discovered in a secret compartment. The individual was charged accordingly
and the courts set him free stating the search warrant did not specify the
authorities were looking for illegal weapons.
Regards
Mel
----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Spezio
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [VFB] bears and guns
Sounds like N.J. and N.Y. when it comes to Firearms. I lived in N.J.
then. If I wanted to take my handgun to Vermont, having to go through N.Y. I
would have to stop at the Stale Police Barracks at the N.Y. State line and have
a State Trooper take the handgun to the Vermont State line to get it back.That
was a three hour drive on the Through-way. Are you kidding. I just held my
breath going and coming through N.Y. that I did not get stopped. I did that for
16 years. We had to do that when we shot competition in N.Y. many years ago.
Tony
--- On Mon, 11/22/10, mel hocken <softhac...@shaw.ca> wrote:
From: mel hocken <softhac...@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [VFB] bears and guns
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 11:53 AM
The number of incidents have increased over the years as the human
population in bear country increases and contact becomes more frequent. One
factor is that we do not harvest the bears in the same numbers as were done in
previous decades. Now we still have commercial fishing which competes for the
bears food source. Especially in an area like the Kenai Peninsula. Decreased
food source, increased numbers of bears and more frequent contact with humans a
recipe for trouble.
If you are attacked by a bear the potential for serious injury or
death is extremely high; I am not denying this. Carrying a fire arm will not
guarantee your safety, check out the number of hunters that have been killed by
bears. Another fact is that most bear attacks occur in or near campsites.
Improper camping methods, ie. leaving food out, condition animals to associate
food with humans. It always seems that we are our own worst enemy.
As far as bears being scared off by gun fire. How many bears have
been scared off by simply a loud shout? I have fished in areas where there are
large populations of bears. I do remain extremely aware that I may encounter a
bear and take every precaution to ensure I will not surprise one. I have yet to
carry a firearm. BC's oldest fly-fishing club fishes on the Dean river for
Steelhead every year in late July, August and early September. Over the past
thirty or so years there has only been one instance that I know of where they
had to kill a bear, it was a black bear that had become conditioned to camps
and food. Neville will most likely have more accurate details about the clubs
history of fishing on the Dean.
In Canada it is illegal to carry a pistol. You need special permits
and training to be able to purchase one and can only use them for target
practice at and shooting competitions at a regulated shooting range . Also the
regulations about fire arm transportation is very strict, which makes extremely
difficult to carry a fire arm of any description except for hunting. My point
is there are many serious hazards in life that we face every day, whether at
home ,work or on the river and do not give them a second thought.
Regards
Mel
----- Original Message -----
From: Don Ordes
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] bears and guns
I remember getting that photo.
Something was wrong with the bear, but it did attack him, I think.
DonO
----- Original Message -----
From: Allan Fish
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] bears and guns
What's the statistics of attacking bears being killed or
scared off
by armed people who saved themselves or others?
I wanna be in that statistic.
DonO
A .454 works (barely).
Greg Brush was our fishing guide in Alaska the summer before
this 2009 incident.
http://www.adn.com/2009/08/13/897940/twig-snap-alerts-dog-walker-to.html
This happened on the outskirts of Soldotna. The poor bear was
obviously starving:
-- Allan Fish
Greenwood, IN
afi...@sbcglobal.net
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