I don't think anyone copywrites a swap idea.   I just meant  that it was for
materials and was so popular they had to start up another swap. I think
doing it with flies is a great idea
Chuck Dowling

"Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre
Minds"  A.E.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Martinez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [VFB] New Swap Idea


> Hi Chuck-
>
> Thanks for emphasizing this, I don't want anyone to
> think I originated this idea, that's why I mentioned
> the Westfly swap and that the guy who started it there
> had borrowed the idea from FAOL, which he gives them
> credit for.
>
> Hope the the subject line "New Swap Idea" isn't
> misleading, just meant it was new to me and maybe new
> to VFB, at least I haven't seen a swap like this on
> the list before.
>
>                         -John
>                          Oregon
>
>
> --- Chuck Dowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > FAOL is doing it with materials  I believe they have
> > two boxes going now
> > Chuck Dowling
> >
> > "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent
> > Opposition From Mediocre
> > Minds"  A.E.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Martinez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:17 PM
> > Subject: [VFB] New Swap Idea
> >
> >
> > > Okay, folks, let's get back to our roots. Flies
> > and
> > > swaps. I just joined a swap on another list I hang
> > out
> > > on, Westfly, which is a list for ff'ers from
> > northern
> > > Cal, Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Montana. Before
> > I
> > > outline the swap, let me say that the guy who
> > started
> > > it on Westfly borrowed it from FAOL, so I don't
> > feel
> > > like I'm plagiarizing his idea. Apparently, the
> > FAOL
> > > swap started with tying materials, but I'm
> > thinking we
> > > can do it with flies. The one on Westfly is for
> > flies,
> > > too.
> > >
> > > Let's say, just for example, we start with 10
> > people,
> > > each person ties three flies and sends them to me.
> > Out
> > > of the 30 flies, I take the ones I want and
> > replace
> > > them with at least the same number I took (or more
> > if
> > > I want). The flies I put in don't have to be the
> > same
> > > as the ones I orginally tied and they don't have
> > to be
> > > all the same. I then send them to the next person
> > on
> > > the list. That person can take as many or as few
> > flies
> > > as he wants, but he must replace them with at
> > least as
> > > many as he takes (or more). He then sends them on
> > to
> > > the next person who does the same and so on.  The
> > > number of flies in the box will gradually increase
> > or
> > > at least remain the same while the mix of flies
> > will
> > > change. Remember, the flies you put in can be
> > totally
> > > different from the flies you originally tied.
> > > Theoretically, if no one cheats the box could go
> > > around perpetually with different flies each time
> > it
> > > comes to you.
> > >
> > > I know this sounds kind of weird, but I think it
> > might
> > > be interesting. This wouldn't work with any group
> > > except one like VFB, since it depends on basically
> > > fair, honest, upright and just plain fine folks,
> > > exactly the like the ones on this list.
> > >
> > > Anyway, if there's any interest in this, let me
> > know.
> > > If anyone has any suggestion, please say so. Don't
> > > want to have too many restrictions or rules, would
> > > like to keep it to trout flies and of course no
> > > ridiculously easy flies, since it's not fair to
> > > everyone else. If you think this a crazy idea,
> > don't
> > > hesitate to say that, too. Once the box has gone
> > > around a few times, we could, with the vote of
> > > everyone involved, donate the flies to a cause or
> > > maybe auction them off and donate the money to TU
> > or
> > > FFF or or the Boy Scouts or see just how long we
> > can
> > > keep it going.
> > >
> > > Okay, that's it. Please post your responses to the
> > > list so everyone can get a feel for how this crazy
> > > idea goes over. If it looks like there might be
> > enough
> > > interest (I'm thinking at minimum ten people),
> > I'll
> > > post a deadline and so on.
> > >
> > > One last note, 10 participants was just a "for
> > > instance" kind of thing. I we had say, 25 tiers at
> > 4
> > > flies each, it would make a real nice variety to
> > start
> > > out with.
> > >
> > >                          -John
> > >                           Oregon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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