A comment on spinning hair.  I find that it works MUCH, MUCH
better on a hard thread base.  I prefer antelope hair over
the others.  I have a couple of friends who keep BIG
rainbows in their private spring-fed ponds.  I have access
to fish there, which I do occasionally.  When we fish in
these ponds, the owners will bring out a can full of the
fish pellets which these fish have been raised on.  This
turns the water into a frenzy as the fish slash  for the
pellets.  Granted, this is definitely NOT "fair chase"
fishing, but my grandsons really enjoy helping "Poppo" catch
the big fish.  I will tie a spun-hair pellet on a #10 scud
hook and trim and clip it to look just like the fish-food
pellets.  The trimmed/shaped spun-hair pellet flies match
the hatch perfectly on these waters.

Larry J

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/03 11:59AM >>>

 Don O
 That is the video I have.  I have yet to watch.  LOL   So
much to do so
 little time.  Everyone has their own style.  I took it for
granted and
 probably shouldn't have that most of the tiers here would
know that you
have
 to pack deer hair if they know how to spin it.  This
thread started in
 reference to stacking deer hair which definatley works
better on a thread
 base.  Which I forgot to mention but Mel helped out with. 
I like
 it for spinning also and have no trouble packing the deer
hair.  I think
you
 can pretty much rest assured your duck fly is very
special.....   :0)
 Deb
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "DonO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:07 AM
> Subject: [VFB] Bare shank for spinning
>
>
> > I'm not much of a hair spinner, but I like the bare
shank approach
myself.
> > But it is definitely not a requirement, as I know Chris
Helms likes a
> thread
> > base.
> > To each his own.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents.
> >
> > DonO
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hans Weilenmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 5:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [VFB] anybody out there?
> >
> >
> > > On 31 Mar 2003 at 7:37, Deborah Duran wrote:
> > >
> > > > I actually use a thread base for spinning also...
> > >
> > > I'm with Deb on this. The perceived requirement of
having a bare
> > > shank to effectively spin deer hair is one of the
persistent urban
> > > legends of tying. It just does not want to up&go away
;-)
> > >
> > > If you take a step back and think about it for a
moment, you are
> > > tying tying down a clump of parallel round sticks.
While the
> > > innermost ring of strands closest to the shank may
benefit from less
> > > friction on a bare shank, this will not affect the
vast majority of
> > > the strands. They will roll and move, relative to
their neigbours, as
> > > much regardless of the bare or thread-covered
center.
> > >
> > > Just Do It, and the hair will oblige ;-)
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Hans W
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>


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