VFB Boy isn't that the way it always. Guy gets a little fame and fortune and POOOF all of sudden he's a big deal. Yeah. too good for the little guy, forgets where he came from. SHEESSH
How about a little humility !! A little respect for the kid just starting out. Whaadya' say. Who does this GUY DonO think he is, Lefty Kreh or sumthin' JG � BTW- have not no idea what this thread is about. Just could not resist the urge to bug Buggz. ^^.) I was honored that he wanted one of > my flies, which, by the way, I had spent hours on. In return, he tied for > me a sculpin that took him 20 minutes. I felt like I got the best of the > deal because I had a real Dave Whitlock fly. He felt like he got the > better > of the deal because he got a 3-hour fly in return for a 20 minute fly. We > were both happy with the swap and are good friends today. My fly was no > Whitlock Original, but he appreciated the effort that an unknown, unranked > tier like myself had put into that fly. > > So one more time. I'm not demeaning beginners. > > DonO > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Niclas Runarsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:20 PM > Subject: RE: [VFB] Perpetual Swap / to All Swappers > > > Bill, > > If running to the fly-shop will endanger the spirit of the swap... I'm > sure > that a "ranking system" will destroy it completely. Skill and effort are > two > different things and in this case, in my opinion, effort weighs most... > together with a pinch of friendship and trust. > If Don (for example) fights with his swap fly for an hour and I fight with > mine for an hour, his will sure be the one that catches the attention... > but > as swap flies they will both be equal. We have both worked equally hard > with > them. While we have been tying, we have both been thinking "I know I will > recieve nice flies, so I want to give as much as I can back." > My guess is that this is what Don meant in his mail. At least it was when > he > (after a lot of work) convinced me that swapping wasn't fatal. I know > today > that I'm swapping flies with tiers much more skilled than myself, but I'm > comfortable with the thought since I know that I work hard on tying them. > > I can't do more than my best. But if it's a fly I'm about to give away, > then > I sure will try. > > /Nick > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr�n: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > F�r > Bill Higdon > Skickat: den 21 november 2004 01:37 > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > �mne: RE: [VFB] Perpetual Swap / to All Swappers > > > Maybe the swaps should be classified as expert, novice, or beginner. I > don't think running to the fly shop to purchase flies is in the sprit of a > swap. I was of the understanding that swaps were a good way for beginners > to get some experience. I was not involved this swap but I'm very > surprised > at the comments. Are you suggesting that beginners not participate in > swaps > until they reach a certain skill level? It seems to me, this would > discourage most new comers from participating. I think we might have our > noses a little to high in the air. > > Swaps should be fun, first and foremost. Not a test, not an art exhibit. > > This is just fishing.............and that's all it is. > > Bill Higdon > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of DonO > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:26 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [VFB] Perpetual Swap / to All Swappers > > I actually didn't think the perpswap would work for long, as the turnover > rate on the vfb has been pretty severe over the 7 years or so that I've > been > on it. If it was going to work at all, then the meister would have had to > track all 4 boxes continually, and then there would still be no guarantee. > The core group of faithful followers of Brother Byard the Beneficent seem > to > be here year after year, but that leaves many to roll over. Other than > for > those core members, the boxes were in danger. > > As for the quality of flies, the same goes for the regular swaps. There > are > tiers that put out a worthy effort in the swaps, and there are tiers who > don't. Is it fair for one tier to put in the effort to trim wings, add > eyes > > and legs and feelers- and another to submit a fly with 3 wraps of chenille > and a hackle-tip wing? I personally feel that if someone is such a > beginner > that the flies they submit will become throw-always, it would only be fair > to go down to the local shop and buy the flies required for the swap, and > just let the meister know. This is not unfair, and the step-up in quality > would serve everyone, and the swapper would still get nice different > patterns in return. They would thus still progress in their skills until > they felt confident in submitting their own. Plus, better tiers would > sign > up for swaps if the reciprocation was better. > > If we all exhibited the conscientiousness that Nick and Rodney do in their > approach, the step-up in the swap flies would be drastic. It's not that > all > swap flies are poor now, as a whole, actually it's the opposite. It's > just > that a certain % of flies of each swap could use some more effort. > > Flame me if you wish, but I think that it would be fair for swap-meisters > to > ask for submissions of photographs of swap flies from participants. This > would serve two purposes. 1st it would weed out the throw-away quality > flies. 2nd, and even better, the meister could offer constructive > criticism > for the tier to improve his entry for the swap. Now how cool is that? > > Now I'm not advocating that all flies for fishing have to be exotic > artwork > flies. Far from it. Simple flies catch fish. But there should be an > equality of effort to make things fair for the tiers who put forth great > efforts in their entries. An hour's effort per fly (or more for some) > should not be traded for 2 minute's effort on the parts of others. > > I'll respect everyone's opinion in this. I've had comments made to me in > the past about the quality of the flies in swaps, and maybe now's the time > to address it, with the comments on the perp box. > > Sine the vfb is the forum for swapping flies, I'll give the floor (screen) > to Byard and let him comment on my thoughts and give his. > > DonO > > > > > > > > >
