Ed,
I am not sure that this is the right place for this discussion but just to make a point that I have sat in discussions where Henk's point was taken with charts and statistics to prove that what we do while certainly an impact is not what the sensationists make it to be. What I have read and seen that we as humans have little impact on the total weather patterns. There are major cycles that have been traced for millions of years that will happen despite our frail desires. Others may voice otherwise but this line does not appear to be a good one for this site.
Mike
On 10/11/06, Sue Atkinson/Ed Engelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I do not see how you can call the man-made
additions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gasses insignificant.
A preponderance of climate scientists agree that
civilization is the major cause of global warming.
Ice core studies have demonstrated that
greenhouse gasses have not been higher for more than 10,000 years.
To call it junk science insults my
intelligence. "Junk science" is just a cry to
quell honest discussion. Most "Junk science" web
sites ignore major trends and compare "apples to oranges".
We have seen many extreme weather events in the
last few years that are exacerbated by warm water
temperatures that fuel stronger hurricanes and rain storms.
We have records in the NE United States that show
that the season that Maple Sap flows have started
earlier and ended earlier over the last 100
years. Migratory birds are affected by changes
in timing of the emergence of insect foods.
A few years back there were some who said that
acid rain was "junk science" as well. As we have
learned, it was those who had an economic
interest in maintaining the status quo that
supported and financed this mis-information.
I am disappointed that a discussion by those who
enjoy fishing in clear, cool water would be so
quick to aid their destruction by ignoring the
avalanche of scientific evidence.
Ed
At 01:46 AM 10/11/2006, you wrote:
>On 10 Oct, 2006, at 22:33, Jim Collins wrote:
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>>You said it well, Henk. Global warming at least the kind being
>>promoted these days and the false hysteria about DDT (as
>>documented in the articles Jimi cited) are all just junk science.
>
>Note: global warming as such is real. It is the extent of it, the
>time framing of it, and above all, the 'causal humbug' being
>promulgated by politics and politically motivated scientists that is
>junk science. Greenhouse gases do not cause (much) global warming,
>climate models tell you what you put into them, not what the real
>climate will do, and the warming trend we see now is almost certainly
>a completely natural phenomenon, one cycle in a short period (on the
>order of ca 300- 500 years) cyclical climate oscillation. Remember
>that little ice age they tried to teach you about in school, the cool
>period during the 17th/18th century during which so many ice skating
>paintings were produced in Holland and the UK? that basically was the
>low of this cycle.
>
>Henk
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