Hi, Eric, On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote:
> I can live with any of these. > As can I. I can live with no change, but another SDO has already sent us a love note about the charter asking why we hate them because we want to compete with them, quoting the word "competitive". Anything that makes liaison relationships settle down seems helpful. > Just trying to get to yes. > Speaking for me, you've got that. I balloted Yes without holding out for the change :-) Spencer > -Ekr > > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 7:29 AM, Mo Zanaty (mzanaty) <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Comparable and competitive express the same goal with slightly >> different connotations. Comparable sounds more neutral / objective. Neither >> express “outperform” as Keith suggests. There was indeed BoF discussion >> around the desire to “outperform”, but no consensus to require this in the >> charter, hence “competitive”. >> >> I prefer “Has comparable performance”, just to avoid any >> misinterpretation or connotation of “Is competitive”. But I don’t think >> either language will really matter all that much. Concerns in other SDOs >> are unlikely to be alleviated with any charter language. >> >> Mo >> >> On 5/13/15, 9:31 AM, Eric Rescorla <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I honestly don't care about this, but how about "having competitive >> performance" >> >> -Ekr >> >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 6:29 AM, DRAGE, Keith (Keith) < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I do not believe that we do mean the same. >>> >>> This got a little discussion in the BOF, but I see liitle point in >>> developing a codec where the only selling point is a claimed royalty free, >>> something that can never be guaranteed. >>> >>> Therefore I certainly would like to see the aim of development to be >>> something that is in some aspect better, and thus competitive, rather than >>> just the same, as in comparable. Maybe we can find another word, but I am >>> unhappy with comparable. >>> >>> Keith >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: video-codec [mailto:[email protected]] On >>> > Behalf Of Mo Zanaty (mzanaty) >>> > Sent: 13 May 2015 13:21 >>> > To: Spencer Dawkins >>> > Cc: [email protected]; The IESG >>> > Subject: Re: [video-codec] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on >>> > charter-ietf-netvc-00-03: (with COMMENT) >>> > >>> > I support removing "competitive" to avoid any >>> > misinterpretation. Since we mean "comparable", we should just >>> > say so directly rather than parenthetically. >>> > >>> > Mo >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On May 13, 2015, at 1:38 AM, Spencer Dawkins >>> > <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> > Spencer Dawkins has entered the following ballot position for >>> > charter-ietf-netvc-00-03: Yes >>> > >>> > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and >>> > reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. >>> > (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-netvc/ >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > COMMENT: >>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > I don't know if the cat is too far out of the bag for this to >>> > matter, but >>> > >>> > >>> > "1. Is competitive (in the sense of having comparable >>> > performance) with current video codecs in widespread use." >>> > >>> > has already piqued the interest of our dear friends at >>> > another SDO. Is it possible to pick a less interesting word >>> > than "competitive" here and elsewhere in the charter? >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > video-codec mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/video-codec >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > video-codec mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/video-codec >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> video-codec mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/video-codec >>> >> >> >
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