And net video wants an audience -- RSS and comments/Travel and audience. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/netvidtheory/message/13 http://tinyurl.com/n7qua
-- Enric -======- http://www.cirne.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Enric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Net Videos Want To Travel": > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/netvidtheory/message/11 > http://tinyurl.com/ndmgm > > ;), > > Enric > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Ms. Kitka" <mskitka@> wrote: > > > > <em>What's in a name? A videoblog by any other name would still have > > an RSS feed...</em> > > - Kitka Shakespeare, 2006 A.C.E. > > > > To me videoblogging has more to do with the video being available via > > RSS... this is what truly sets it apart from regular video on the web. > > The blog is simply something that facilitates its > distribution/broadcast. > > > > When it comes down to it, most of my viewers have never seen my web > > site/blog page anyways... at least 95% of my audience downloads > > Kitkast through iTunes/iPodder/FireAnt/MeFeedia/etc. Hencewhy I have > > aborted all attempts to place advertizing on my blog page! > > > > Kitka > > http://www.kitkast.com/ > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Streeter" <bill@> wrote: > > > > > > This is an interesting question. And it kinda goes to my own working > > > definitions that I've expressed here before. I don't happen to > > > believe that videoblogs are defined by content as much as > > > methodology. A videoblog to me is simply video on a blog. That is > > > video posted in a blog format, which is a regularly updated website > > > where content is posted in cronological dated posts. It may or may > > > not have an RSS feed, comments, a blog roll etc. But it always has > > > chronological dated posts on a web page. Thus the name Web Log. The > > > whole personal vs show thing to me is kind of a weird way of looking > > > at it. The first blogs I read were political blogs and they most > > > certainly weren't personal journals. I understand that the personal > > > journals, that a lot of people understand blogs to be, are a genre > > > of the form, but I wouldn't ever say that a defining characteristic > > > of a blog is that it's personal. So to my thinking if a video blog > > > is simply video on a blog then it's not necessarily personal. To me > > > saying a blog or a videoblog is by definition personal is like > > > saying TV is all sitcoms or all films are documentaries. A blog is a > > > media form, and that form has genres, personal, political, artistic > > > etc. The beauty being (which is kind of the beauty of the Internet > > > as a whole) is that it's simple for any individual to do without > > > much help or particular technical expertise, and that makes personal > > > forms or genres possible. > > > > > > The other thing that I've been thinking about recently is if there > > > is or isn't a difference between a videoblog or a video podcast. And > > > this is what I've been thinking: if we accept the premise that a > > > videoblog is simply video on a blog and we say that a video podcast > > > is the same as a videoblog then conversely a podcast is the same as > > > a blog. Well, we know that that's not true. What we know (or at > > > least the way I see it) a podcast is simply multimedia distributed > > > via a rss feed. So accepting this definition then a video blog can > > > also be a video podcast, or not if it is video posted in blog form > > > sans an RSS feed. Also a person can post video to the internet > > > outside of the blog form but still deliver it on an RSS feed. This > > > would be a video podcast that isn't also video blog. > > > > > > So if you accept these definitions (and I'm not saying that you have > > > to) then what the people from Four Eyed Monsters are doing is not > > > video bogging, but video podcastingsince they are primarily > > > publishing video via an RSS feed sans the blog form. They do have > > > blogs, but on Myspace, and that's not where their video feeds are > > > posted. > > > > > > So those are my thoughts. It's not something that I feel is set in > > > stone, but that's just where my head is at with it at the moment. > > > > > > > > > Bill Streeter > > > LO-FI SAINT LOUIS > > > www.lofistl.com > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Richard BF <richardb@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Old timers on this list are gonna love me bringing this up again. > > > > Newbies are probably going to love me even more for disturbing the > > > > mainstream media lovefest which seems to have taken over this > > > email > > > > list in the past few months. > > > > > > > > I received some offlist emails about my Four Eyed Monsters post, > > > > which I really think should be reposted here, as they had much > > > more > > > > information about the project, and offerred an alternate view to > > > my > > > > naive opinions. If you emailed me, please CC it here, it will be > > > > interesting for others to read. > > > > > > > > But the question it poses is yet again, what is this list for? > > > > > > > > The simple answer is to help out new videobloggers. Which again > > > begs > > > > the question <ducking> what is videoblogging? </ducking> > > > > > > > > In recent months, reading this list you would be fooled into > > > thinking > > > > that videblogging means video on the Internet. We have countless > > > > "videoblog directories" which simply aggregate RSS enclosures, we > > > > have "videoblog aggregators" which simply play video over the > > > > Internet, we have "videoblog hosting providers" which simply host > > > > video on the Internet, we have "videoblog shows" which are simply > > > > amateur TV series hosted on the Internet... the list goes on. > > > > Videoblog is a buzzword that most people seem to use to describe > > > > anything with video and the Internet. > > > > > > > > Others, like me, think it is more about the personal and all that > > > it > > > > entails. So the gap between these opinions is still, after 18 > > > months, > > > > enormous. > > > > > > > > The point of the recent Four Eyed Monsters discussion seems to > > > have > > > > been "how to use the Internet to promote your more traditional > > > film", > > > > which I'd argue has jack to do with this list. > > > > > > > > On the vlogtheory list, arguably whose main job is to define > > > > videoblogging, we've basically given up discussing the definition, > > > > because nobody will change their mind about what they think a > > > > videoblog is. It's like walking into a party where everyone has > > > their > > > > arms crossed and nobody is talking. > > > > > > > > Michael's Vlog Anarchy video was a great bird flip to definition, > > > but > > > > this list is now a perfect example of why videoblogging needs to > > > be > > > > defined, otherwise perhaps the list should be renamed from > > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > I'm especially interested in the new members' opinions, as they > > > > probably haven't had a lot of the citizen media, fuck big media > > > > rhetoric we used to go on about here a year ago, but now tend to > > > no > > > > longer bother about. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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