I am joining this discussion late (been busy launching a new online movie download service - more on that later), but here goes...
I understand the need for OurTube, but isn't the whole discussion of video blog creators "versus" the big business/exploitation of creative product very relevant to his group? This discussion has been going on for years in the music (the band versus the record labels) and the movie (the talent versus the studios) industries.... we should take some lessons learned from those industries (both good and bad) and try to achieve something ourselves. Whether your concern is financial compensation, protecting your artistic creation, name recognition, or protecting your privacy - video bloggers are all subject to exploitation by these entities unless there is some way to enable the community to "protect" ourselves.... no suggestions just yet - still processing those thoughts.... -Frank http://www.vlogdb.com - Blogging about Video Blogs http://www.gotkidsnetwork.com - Parenting Social Network --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > from rox: > > Re: Re: [videoblogging] everyone wants you > > Yes Jay - I've gotten the emails, one referencing the Vloggies. So > that is one list apparently being mined. > > I am very interested in us continuing this discussion, and yes Ted, > perhaps a wiki or spinoff makes sense = not everyone is interested in > making money. > > For those who are, I am feeling like change due - double entendre intended. > > The people who are aggregating content and setting up servers are the > easiest to reach right now - It's one person to deal with for > potential sponsors and buyers, and it's one place to go to host movie > files. So they have the leverage from multiple points of view. Few of > these networks are willing to pay for content, they have lawyerly TOS, > and we the lovely lemmings alternate between "doing it for the love of > it" and feeling somewhat powerless in the face of the enormous grab > for eyeballs and dollars, I think. (Some exagerration for effect.) > > When VC's are funding video hosting sites, they see big returns. I > want us to slow this train down, and let everyone know that at least > some of us, people who are creating original content (not re- posting > snippets of tv shows on youtube) are a force to be reckoned with. Our > numbers may not be huge but they are growing, and our audience loyalty > is extreme. > > As was posted on a separate thread, $1.65B from Google to YouTube, and > not a dime went for content. I was not altogether joking when I > suggested coming up with some sort of act of "commercial > dispobedience" to start injecting our voices into the business media > discussions. > > Doing it for love is great until you see someone else living the high > life selling your heartfelt stuff while you get nada in return.Then > bitterness often sets in. It's one thing for iTunes, etc to get run > over with big media commercial content. It's one more thing for all of > us to stand by while old commercial thinking co-ops our new media. > > That's why I am wanting us to claim some space here - as a place for > sponsors to go, to negotiate with us, not just the hosting networks. > If any group could come up with some genuinely new thinking on how to > leverage a community for the community's good, this one can. Right? > > We can reclaim the concept of "commercial" so it is not a dirty word > but in fact becomes part of sustainability for us to keep doing our > stuff. > > Anyone interested? > > > rox > > On 11/18/06, sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > hey mike. > > > > rox was the motivation behind having a focused discussion on some > > issues.... i will just link to her post and include it here. I think the > > "OurTube" discussions, once they get going, will cover a small mix of topics > > associated with taking more control, as video content creators, of business > > relationships and necessary services for the furtherance of the independent > > internet tv revolution. does this involve YouTubers who want to leave and > > associate their content elsewhere? Not sure. That could bleed into > > discussions but i dont see it as a core goal. It doesnt matter what service > > you use, where your stuff is hosted etc... but for prolific video creators > > who feel that they dont have to totally revolve around and/or depend on > > hosting services, ad networks, aggregators etc in order to achieve certain > > types of success... OurTube is where to discuss, then, what the alternative > > concepts are and can exist (co-exist) in this space. What comes out of > > those discussions remains to be seen. But anything is possible in this > > space at this time. > > > > Maybe its taking the hype of the industry and the monetizing babble and > > the "frothy" online video phenomena..... and turning it upside down.... > > yelling HOLD UP! not getting sucked into old ways on a new medium.... > > thinking outside the box and grasping what *some* creators are interested in > > achieving, collaborating..... Cooperative mentalities. Because i think > > there may be a tiny little ball of truth bouncing around that sings.... "We > > Dont Need You and Your Bubble". Maybe its finding out if that is true or > > not. > > > > I look forward to some others to chime in over on the group soon. As soon > > as we gather our thoughts and make some time to start chatting.... it'll > > happen. Should be interesting at the least. > > > > To discuss further, this Videoblogging Group will not be used so please > > use the OurTube group. thats why it was setup.... a preference to > > distinguish the topics away from this group. Nothing wrong with that and > > its been done many times before. > > > > ------------- > > <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/message/51557> > > ------------- > > rox wrote: > > ------------- > > Yes Jay - I've gotten the emails, one referencing the Vloggies. So > > that is one list apparently being mined. > > > > I am very interested in us continuing this discussion, and yes Ted, > > perhaps a wiki or spinoff makes sense = not everyone is interested in > > making money. > > > > For those who are, I am feeling like change due - double entendre > > intended. > > > > The people who are aggregating content and setting up servers are the > > easiest to reach right now - It's one person to deal with for > > potential sponsors and buyers, and it's one place to go to host movie > > files. So they have the leverage from multiple points of view. Few of > > these networks are willing to pay for content, they have lawyerly TOS, > > and we the lovely lemmings alternate between "doing it for the love of > > it" and feeling somewhat powerless in the face of the enormous grab > > for eyeballs and dollars, I think. (Some exagerration for effect.) > > > > When VC's are funding video hosting sites, they see big returns. I > > want us to slow this train down, and let everyone know that at least > > some of us, people who are creating original content (not re- posting > > snippets of tv shows on youtube) are a force to be reckoned with. Our > > numbers may not be huge but they are growing, and our audience loyalty > > is extreme. > > > > As was posted on a separate thread, $1.65B from Google to YouTube, and > > not a dime went for content. I was not altogether joking when I > > suggested coming up with some sort of act of "commercial > > dispobedience" to start injecting our voices into the business media > > discussions. > > > > Doing it for love is great until you see someone else living the high > > life selling your heartfelt stuff while you get nada in return.Then > > bitterness often sets in. It's one thing for iTunes, etc to get run > > over with big media commercial content. It's one more thing for all of > > us to stand by while old commercial thinking co-ops our new media. > > > > That's why I am wanting us to claim some space here - as a place for > > sponsors to go, to negotiate with us, not just the hosting networks. > > If any group could come up with some genuinely new thinking on how to > > leverage a community for the community's good, this one can. Right? > > > > We can reclaim the concept of "commercial" so it is not a dirty word > > but in fact becomes part of sustainability for us to keep doing our > > stuff. > > > > Anyone interested? > > > > > > rox > > --------------------- > > > > > > On 11/18/06, Mike Meiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I'm still not fully understanding the concept behind this ourtube > > > group, can we discuss it some? > > > > > > Is it just an attempt to take the gootube deal as an opportunity to > > > draw back some of the youtube users back to the open vlogosphere as > > > they become disenfranchised with youtube? > > > > > > I've already subscribed, I'm just feeling like I'm missing so much > > > information. > > > > > > Perhaps a series of good old fashion skypecasts are in order. Get a > > > few people together including whomever started this idea and just have > > > a discussion. > > > > > > How did this discussion originate anyway? > > > > > > -Mike > > > mmeiser.com/blog > > > mefeedia.com > > > > > > On 11/8/06, Adam Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <bullemhead% 40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > Could also use .htaccess to password-protect. > > > > > > > > On 11/8/06, Roxanne Darling <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <okekai%40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > OK - It is late and I am tired and I have lost the other thread on > > > this > > > > > topic. > > > > > > > > > > Sull - you've got a domain so let's set up WP as that seems to be > > > the > > > > > consensus. Can you add a robots.txt with nofollow to keep the SE's > > > out > > > > > in addition to having registration? If not, I can get you one to put > > > > > at root. > > > > > > > > > > Rox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/7/06, sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <sulleleven% 40gmail.com><sulleleven%40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OurTube - A New Google Group > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/ourtube/about > > > > > > > > > > > > Care to join the discussion? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sull > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/4/06, Roxanne Darling <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <okekai% 40gmail.com><okekai%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Jay - I've gotten the emails, one referencing the Vloggies. > > > So > > > > > > > that is one list apparently being mined. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very interested in us continuing this discussion, and yes > > > Ted, > > > > > > > perhaps a wiki or spinoff makes sense = not everyone is > > > interested in > > > > > > > making money. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who are, I am feeling like change due - double > > > entendre > > > > > > > intended. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The people who are aggregating content and setting up servers > > > are the > > > > > > > easiest to reach right now - It's one person to deal with for > > > > > > > potential sponsors and buyers, and it's one place to go to host > > > movie > > > > > > > files. So they have the leverage from multiple points of view. > > > Few of > > > > > > > these networks are willing to pay for content, they have > > > lawyerly TOS, > > > > > > > and we the lovely lemmings alternate between "doing it for the > > > love of > > > > > > > it" and feeling somewhat powerless in the face of the enormous > > > grab > > > > > > > for eyeballs and dollars, I think. (Some exagerration for > > > effect.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When VC's are funding video hosting sites, they see big returns. > > > I > > > > > > > want us to slow this train down, and let everyone know that at > > > least > > > > > > > some of us, people who are creating original content (not > > > re-posting > > > > > > > snippets of tv shows on youtube) are a force to be reckoned > > > with. Our > > > > > > > numbers may not be huge but they are growing, and our audience > > > loyalty > > > > > > > is extreme. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As was posted on a separate thread, $1.65B from Google to > > > YouTube, and > > > > > > > not a dime went for content. I was not altogether joking when I > > > > > > > suggested coming up with some sort of act of "commercial > > > > > > > dispobedience" to start injecting our voices into the business > > > media > > > > > > > discussions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doing it for love is great until you see someone else living the > > > high > > > > > > > life selling your heartfelt stuff while you get nada in > > > return.Then > > > > > > > bitterness often sets in. It's one thing for iTunes, etc to get > > > run > > > > > > > over with big media commercial content. It's one more thing for > > > all of > > > > > > > us to stand by while old commercial thinking co-ops our new > > > media. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's why I am wanting us to claim some space here - as a place > > > for > > > > > > > sponsors to go, to negotiate with us, not just the hosting > > > networks. > > > > > > > If any group could come up with some genuinely new thinking on > > > how to > > > > > > > leverage a community for the community's good, this one can. > > > Right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can reclaim the concept of "commercial" so it is not a dirty > > > word > > > > > > > but in fact becomes part of sustainability for us to keep doing > > > our > > > > > > > stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone interested? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rox > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/4/06, schlomo rabinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<schlomo% 40gmail.com><schlomo%40gmail.com><schlomo% > > > 40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless each and every one of us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got a postcard/ad handed to me. It's for a site called > > > Mashery. > > > > > > > > Their card emulated a napkin that had "The Masher Cocktail" > > > written > > > > > on > > > > > > > > it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 part developer > > > > > > > > 2 APT twists > > > > > > > > 1 dash of Community > > > > > > > > serve as a chilled new Web application > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS A REAL AD AND IT MAKES ME SICK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the "new media" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > Schlomo > > > > > > > > http://schlomolog.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > http://hatfactory.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ps > > > > > > > > If you don't believe me, I'll video it for you. Then you also > > > can > > > > > > > > throw up a little in your mouth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Jay dedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<jay.dedman% 40gmail.com> > > > <jay.dedman% 40gmail.com>< > > > > > jay.dedman%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wanted to put out a note so we can all discuss. > > > > > > > > > Ive been getting emails from Revver and Veoh....I guess > > > their > > > > > > > > > community people are trying to get their community to grow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > haha but i keep getting emails from individual videobloggers > > > > > asking > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > what the deal is? > > > > > > > > > will they make money? > > > > > > > > > should they do it? > > > > > > > > > what's the point of putting their videos in a different > > > place than > > > > > > > > > they already do it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in my opinion, since the youtube mega-million deal...all > > > video > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > > > sites are in overdrive trying to get popular to get bought. > > > make > > > > > > > > > sense? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has anyone else been contacted by these sites to "join their > > > > > > network"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Me ----> http://www.momentshowing.net > > > > > > > > > My Book ---->http://tinyurl.com/e6cap > > > > > > > > > SF community ----> http://RyanIsHungry.com > > > > > > > > > Community Capitalism----> http://HaveMoneyWillVlog.com > > > > > > > > > Educate ----> http://node101.org > > > > > > > > > Collaboration ----> http://spinxpress.com > > > > > > > > > Call now ----> 917 371 6790 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (7) Reply (via web post) | Start a new > > > topic > > > > > > > > Messages | Links | Polls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Roxanne Darling > > > > > > > "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.beachwalks.tv > > > > > > > http://www.barefeetshop.com > > > > > > > http://www.barefeetstudios.com > > > > > > > http://www.inthetransition.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Sull > > > > > > http://vlogdir.com (a project) > > > > > > http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) > > > > > > http://interdigitate.com (otherly) > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Roxanne Darling > > > > > "o ke kai" means "of the sea" in hawaiian > > > > > 808-384-5554 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.beachwalks.tv > > > > > http://www.barefeetshop.com > > > > > http://www.barefeetstudios.com > > > > > http://www.inthetransition.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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