Fascinating conversation. Two things.
1) people must understand time wise we've BARELY scratched the surface in an ongoing process of the democratizing of media. True it may happen faster, but I'd still expect for this "democratization" to litterally take 100's of years. In many ways the democratization of the printed word is still ongoing. In fact it's still going through major changes. 2) It is because people mistaken the real revolution and change as something that's going to happen in the next 3-10 years or even shorter that they get unrealistic expectations of what is happening. This short sited-ness is exactly what happened during the dot-com boom, though that is a far more extreme example. I'm inclined to think those that cite that big media players are getting into the "open access media" game as some sign that open access media is failing or has failed just have an unrealistic expectation. There's so much superficial change, and then there is deep socialogical and cultural change. On the surface there's plenty of easy examples of viral media, changes in entertainment, news.. advertising and just supeficial stuff. The popularity of viral media however really is only skin deep. The far greater cultural change is that more and more people are starting to collaborat more and more with each other in a HUGE new landscape of small and descrete groups and depend far less on traditional hierarchies. There is a direct corrleation between the church in historical times and our modern church, such free market institutions such as media companies. I suspect that at some point we're going to go through a minor or major revolution in the seperationg of our new church (the free market) and the state. The democratization of media is perhaps the first step in the ungluing of this union between governance and the free market. I find it REMEMBDOUSLY interesting what's going on with media and business in the former soviet union and it's states. They've rushed head on into free markets leaping way past the U.S. in a completely free market without any checks and palances. In albania for example the press is completely free and very critical but it's almost exclusively the voice of powerful companies. These companies also have tremendous political power there, their special interests ties in government are 100 fold worse than ours. And let's not even go into the state of media in Russia, where there have been a big string of high profile assacinations all stemming back to the a coupls of dead reporters. So... it's crazy days, but just because Dan Rather and a few other high profile icons of traditional media fell, and just because there's a few high profile successes in new media wether they be Lonelygirl15, AskANija or anyone else, doesn't really represent the state of the deap layers of society. In many ways such things are just fashion. Very ephemeral. They're relation to the deep change is often... just like surface waves to ocean currents, not in any way representative of what goes on underneath. The discussion and the things going on in this group represents a far deeper slice and paints a far more realistic picture of what's going on then what's being hyped in the press. Regardless, we are awash in something that is far bigger than us... a product of our age, rafts awash in an ocean of change. The only thing we have to keep our bearing is history, and the horizon of events, not always easy to see, and what's happening down in hear in the trenches and on the streets. Anyway, I'm botching my metaphors, Great conversation though. Such a great thing to be even be a witness to this evolution in media, communications, internet, whatever it is. While we all have our favorite aspects, I suspect we won't be able to put our finger on what was so revolutionary untill most of us are dead. What we're doing right now may well be only the predecessor to something that truely great and revolutionary, just a baby step. -Mike mefeedia.com mmeiser.com/blog On 12/7/06, sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > thats what i was gett'n at ;) > > On 12/7/06, Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Personaly I think you make a differance one person at a time, kinda > > like that whole "pay it forward" thing.... ;) > > > > Heath > > http://batmangeek7.blogspto.com > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > well, you can : > > > > > > - make a difference > > > > > > - make a name > > > > > > - make a brand > > > > > > - make a difference > > > > > > it's nice when this is done in order. > > > > > > sull > > > > > > > > > On 12/7/06, Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with that 100%, I am just curious what the "tipping" > > point > > > > is....and it always goes back to what the individual is trying to > > > > accomplish, which for me changes daily.. ;) > > > > > > > > I just think it's interesting where we are at, and where we are > > > > going.....can it be done? Can we really change things? I hope > > > > so....I really do.... > > > > > > > > Heath > > > > http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging% > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Mike Hudack" <mike@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > At the end of the day it's about what you want to talk about > > and how > > > > > many people you want to reach, no? > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com> > > <videoblogging% > > 40yahoogroups.com>] > > > > On Behalf Of Heath > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:30 PM > > > > > > To: > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging% > > 40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > > Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Al online viewing booms, the > > > > > > amateurs give way to big media > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the small users are driving inovation but sooner or > > > > > > later the "big guys" take notice and they have money, time > > > > > > and talent..... > > > > > > > > > > > > And again, I am looking at this from the viewer's perspective > > > > > > and the "average joe".....how many average, everyday people > > > > > > who go to work, come home, make dinner and sit down in front > > > > > > of the tube, how many of them are going to watch me talk > > > > > > about the vloggies or bacon or The Ask a Ninja guy....(who I > > > > > > love btw) but I wonder, what the "cap" for this medium > > > > > > is.....how many people will want to watch just > > > > > > "stuff"....people like to be entertained, bigger is better > > > > > > and so on......will that attitude change? Because if it > > > > doesn't.... > > > > > > > > > > > > It's an interesting thought......I know I don't have any > > > > > > answers, but what else is new.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Heath > > > > > > http://batmangeek7.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com<videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com><videoblogging% > > 40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > David Tames <david@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting article... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it's dangerous to put too much faith in the belief > > > > > > that trends > > > > > > > and outcomes from the past are a reflection of what is > > > > > > happening today > > > > > > > and going to happen tomorrow. I think that there's > > > > > > a > > > > > > > significantly different thing going on today in the media > > and > > > > > > > entertainment industry than has gone on in the past: end > > users > > > > are > > > > > > > driving the innovation, and video blogging is a crisp > > example of > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote an article for IMAGINE (a trade magazine that covers > > > > film, > > > > > > > video, and multimedia production in New England) for the > > > > Dec'06/ > > > > > > > Jan'07 issue titled: "Macro Trends in Media and > > Entertainment," > > > > > > which > > > > > > > I subsequently updated: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://kino-eye.com/2006/09/30/macro-trends-rio2006/ > > > > > > > Document: Macro-Trends-v2.pdf (PDF, 164 KB) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you think of my premise? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm planning to release a Version 3 after I add more video > > > > sharing > > > > > > > sites and round out the arguments. I'd love some feedback > > from > > > > > > this > > > > > > > group before I complete a new version of the article. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of the fact that the large media players will > > claim > > > > a > > > > > > > large percentage of the total media and entertainment > > activity > > > > on > > > > > > the > > > > > > > internet, independent producers (video bloggers, independent > > > > > > > filmmakers, small organizations, etc) will still have a > > > > > > percentage, > > > > > > > and that percentage will be significantly larger than it has > > > > been > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the past through the hundred year history of cinema, > > > > television, > > > > > > > radio, cable, and now the internet. So personal and > > independent > > > > > > media > > > > > > > will have much more significant access to an audience than > > it > > > > had > > > > > > > before. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a trend near and dear to my heart that I've been > > > > tracking > > > > > > > since 1988 when people were saying the Hi8 camcorder > > revolution > > > > > > would > > > > > > > democratize the media. But I argued with my fellow > > filmmakers > > > > back > > > > > > > then, access to the tools of production is only 1/3 of the > > > > > > equation. > > > > > > > You still need access to marketing to build an audience, and > > > > > > access > > > > > > > to distribution. The internet today provides the missing > > > > pieces, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > fuels word-of-mouth as well as provides an economical > > > > distribution > > > > > > > medium. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > David Tames, Filmmaker & Media Technologist > > > > > > > http://kino-eye.com | 617.216.1096 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sull > > > http://vlogdir.com (a project) > > > http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) > > > http://interdigitate.com (otherly) > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sull > http://vlogdir.com (a project) > http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) > http://interdigitate.com (otherly) > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
