Ahar cheers thats where I had seen animated previews in the past but I forgot - Ro's flash thumbs - thanks for the reminder.
Could you go into a bit more detail about the sorts of things youve done to ensure your feed looks good? How are you including a thumbnail for each post at the moment? I hope the momentum for improving on RSS can be rebuilt, there seemed to be a burst of activity a few years ago but not much progress since? Cheers Steve Elbows --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Devlon Duthie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a good point Steve, Ro and his flash-thumb things were freaking > great....haven't seen anything beyond this. > > imho, it is were me, and it used to be :) as a content-creator, I found > snapping a thumb of my clip and using it in my post, ad therefore in my > feed took far less time than the value I found in making sure that the > feed looked good in the aggregators. > > I'd love to wait and see what crazy new thumb/flash thing that someone > builds, but for the time being it seems so simple and easy to have a > thumb for a clip in a feed. Spending as much time as I do around > aggregators, etc. the ones with thumbs for each clip look more > enticing.....it's all part of packaging really. People spend a ton of > time building out their blogs, video-content, etc.....but (in most > cases) spend very little time on the presentation of thier rss feed. > > Since rss (so far) is a huge part of the ditribution method of this new > media I would think it would be very important to have a robust rss feed > with as much metadata as can be jammed into it. > > Thanks, > Devlon Duthie > -- > http://devlonduthie.com > > Find great independent video: > http://mefeedia.com > > > > Steve Watkins wrote: > > Are static thumbnails any good for video really anyway? > > > > Are there any examples of, or people working on, something more than > > single frame thumbnails? Ive been pondering whether a better way of > > previewing video exists, I dont know as it does, but Im thinking about > > it anyway. > > > > Im also very excited about future much richer & nicer user interfaces. > > Microsoft stuff like WPF, WPF/E, AJAX/DHTML in general, and Apple > > stuff like Core Animation, are technologies that may help this a bit. > > Will certainly need thumbnails or preview animations of videos to make > > this experience decent, I hadnt realised that thumbnail in RSS stuff > > was still such an issue - big shame, doubt I can be much use helping > > with this, but full support to anybody who can, please :) > > > > Is there any need to provide more than one thumbnail for a post in the > > feed? Different resolutions etc? Is there anything in RSS at the > > moment for attaching artwork or icon to the whole feed (eg show > > branding? Any merit whatsoever for enabling people to sspecify a > > graphic for license info - eg is there any sense whatsoever to having > > people do their creative commons stuff as a seperate video animation > > or still? I was just musing about alternative video aggregators of the > > future and how they could display the license info for each video in s > > small seperate window? OK thats probably a silly idea, I dunno. > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve Elbows > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "billshackelford" > > <bshackelford@> wrote: > > > >> I agree.. mediaRSS already exists and is supported by many. > >> > >> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, sull <sulleleven@> wrote: > >> > >>> nah. > >>> encourage mediaRSS spec for thumbnails. > >>> > >>> and consider using blip feeds (blip users). > >>> > >>> sull > >>> > >>> > >>> On 2/8/07, Mike Meiser <groups-yahoo-com@> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Yeah, maybe we should skip the whole overriding media microfotmat > >>>> thing... > >>>> and in true microformats style solve the simplest and most necissary > >>>> problem > >>>> first. > >>>> > >>>> I.E. <img src="" rel=thumbnail> > >>>> > >>>> It's actually hard for me to believe people aren't actually > >>>> > > using this > > > >>>> somewhere in the RSS-o-sphere. Has anyone seen anything. > >>>> > >>>> It perfectly in keeping with other specs like rel=tag, > >>>> > > rel=enclosure, > > > >>>> rel=payment and a host of others. > >>>> > >>>> It will also work with perfectly with other forms of media feeds > >>>> > > like > > > >>>> audio, > >>>> and photocasts as well. It's a univeral element. > >>>> > >>>> Any objections to this? > >>>> > >>>> -Mike > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 2/8/07, duthied2004 <duthied@ <duthied%40gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hey all. > >>>>> > >>>>> I've been out of the loop on this list for some time and have > >>>>> > > tried to > > > >>>>> catch up on this, so forgive me if stuff has been said/asked > >>>>> > > before.... > > > >>>>> But, I'd love to hear how people are setting the thumbnails > >>>>> > > for their > > > >>>>> entries....do you use mediarss on your site, is it only in the > >>>>> 'description' of the post, in a thumbnail element in the item > >>>>> elements? As Mike mentioned it's a hodge-podge currently. > >>>>> > >>>>> Glad to see the same names on here still, as well as many more > >>>>> > > new ones. > > > >>>>> -Devlon > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com > >>>>> > > <videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > >>>> groups-yahoo-com@ wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> There is also a larger issue Bill which Josh touched on. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The general problem is that while 90% (or some otherwise > >>>>>> > > very hight > > > >>>>>> percent of vloggers) have thumbnails in their posts they are not > >>>>>> "semantically" specified. This is to say they are not > >>>>>> > > specified in > > > >>>>>> standard way which can be recognized by aggregators and > >>>>>> > > search sites > > > >>>>>> like Fireant, vlogdi, mefeedia and others. For example... > >>>>>> > > eclosures > > > >>>>>> can be specified in your blog post among other ways by a > >>>>>> > > microformat > > > >>>>>> standard "rel=enclosure". There is no standards for huge > >>>>>> > > amounts of > > > >>>>>> supporting meta infromation like thumbnails, i.e. there is no > >>>>>> "rel=thumnail". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We're working on mechanisms not only to better identify > >>>>>> > > thumbnails in > > > >>>>>> blog posts, among other things, by creating a new media > >>>>>> > > Microformat. > > > >>>>>> It should not only have a tremendous immediate impact for > >>>>>> > > people who > > > >>>>>> use services like blip, feedburner, mefeedia, fireant and > >>>>>> > > others, but > > > >>>>>> it should also put this control into YOUR hands if you like when > >>>>>> you're writing a blog post. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> P.S. Josh, I hope you'll collaborate on this media > >>>>>> > > microformat as well > > > >>>>>> as sharing other ideas on sharing thumbnail information. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Peace, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Mike > >>>>>> mmeiser.com/blog > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 1/19/07, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hey Josh, I haven't checked that feature in like a year, > >>>>>>> > > so it may > > > >>>>> have > >>>>> > >>>>>>> stopped working.. let Frank know if you have any questions > >>>>>>> > > about > > > >>>>> that, I'm > >>>>> > >>>>>>> sure he'd be happy to get it running again.. all my fault! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Peter > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 1/19/07, Joshua Kinberg <jkinberg@> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi Bill, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We're currently working on this issue and plan to have a > >>>>>>>> > > big new > > > >>>>>>>> release of the FireAnt website in February. This new > >>>>>>>> > > release will > > > >>>>>>>> support the Media RSS namespace for thumbnails. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Currently, we can grab thumbnails from blog posts if > >>>>>>>> > > they are > > > >>>>> included > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> in the link to the video enclosure file like this: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> <a href="http://link/to/video.mov"; rel="enclosure"><img > >>>>>>>> src="http://link/to/thumbnail/image.jpg"; /></a> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We also have the ability to get thumbnail images from > >>>>>>>> > > MeFeedia, > > > >>>>> but it > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> seems that MeFeedia may have disabled this feature. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hope that helps explain... please stay tuned for our new > >>>>>>>> > > website > > > >>>>>>>> update that will address this along with many other bug > >>>>>>>> > > fixes > > > >>>>> and new > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> features. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Best, > >>>>>>>> Josh > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> http://FireAnt.tv > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 1/19/07, billshackelford > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <bshackelford@<bshackelford%40gmail.com>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> My videos do not have thumbnails on FireAnt. It seems > >>>>>>>>> > > they do > > > >>>> not > >>>> > >>>>>>>> utilize the Yahoo Media > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RSS namespace attributes. Is there a reason why? If > >>>>>>>>> > > there is a > > > >>>>> legal > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> reason.. why don't they > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> just come up with their own namespace? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I believe I read something about FireAnt getting > >>>>>>>>> > > thumbnails from > > > >>>>>>>> Mefeedia but my > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> thumbnails show up Mefeedia fine. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there is something I can do to have my > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> thumbnails > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> show up on FireAnt? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Here is my channel on FireAnt: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> billshackelford.com podcast > >>>>>>>>> http://fireant.tv/directory/channel/22981 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Find 10000s of videoblogs and podcasts at http://mefeedia.com > >>>>>>> my blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/ > >>>>>>> my job: http://petervandijck.net > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sull > >>> http://vlogdir.com (a project) > >>> http://SpreadTheMedia.org (my blog) > >>> http://interdigitate.com (otherly) > >>> > >>> > >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > >
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