This is a very interesting thread to me in that I am a member of Our Media yet have found myself taking issue with the moderators of the site many times in the past. I have been "what they call" a guest editor and was charged with providing the links on the home page of Our Media and I can say that I like every other person on that site does in fact have a polital bent. I have been in a struggle with most of the moderators at Our Media as I am one of those "neo-con LIBERTARIAN" members who feels greatly misrepresented and mostly censored at Our Media.
I realize that the creators of AiB wish to maintain a balanced view and I must say that it has been my experience that Our Media is not in any way a balanced site and 99.9% of the users are in fact very far to the left. "There is nothing at all wrong with that fact but it should be clearly stated so that viewers can "be aware or beware" of the site and it's content. I beleive that the poster was in fact attempting to skew the content of AiB to suite their view. It may be legal, but it should be shunned by our community as no one here would want this to happen to their work! I think that Our Media should hear from all of us that "although there is likely legal authority to re-post in this way that it is nevertheless unethical. Just my two cents worth. All the best, Darren W. The Driving Blogger www.drivingblogger.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGBcriyqJeg --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "humancloner1997" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I understand Brian's objection to how his AIB has been "revlogged" as > if he was part of OurMedia and with a misleading political slant given > his video via choice of thumbnail & a quote taken out of context. > > I have to admit being technically challenged here. I am just starting > to study linking. There is a tutorial called 'Link Love" on > www.freevlog.org I have to study. > > I've had many requests to "swap links" and/or for me to link to > another site. I know I'm missing traffic by not having done so. > > What question arises in my mind is where the dividing line is between > a link posted on a site that may have a stated focus. Let's say, in > this case, it was called "Make Love, Not War" & was devoted to pacifism. > > If such a site wanted to put a link to your content on their site & > you really didn't want them to do so because you held neo-con views, > do you have thge right to make them remove your name & link from their > page? > > And what about all these "embed this video" tags on YouTube & > elsewhere? Once you have allowed that to be with your video, have you > consented to allow anyone to embed your video on their site? > > Hope this question doesn't make me seem technically stupid. > > Randolfe (Randy) Wicker > Hoboken, NJ > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Cammack" <BillCammack@> > wrote: > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, brian conley > > <brian_conley2005@> wrote: > > > > > > This morning I discovered that the work of one of my projects, Alive > > in Baghdad, had been posted on the front page of http://ourmedia.com. > > (I have enclosed a screen capture for your reference.) Not only did > > noone request the use of our work, or inform us of our inclusion on > > this site, but OurMedia presents our work in a way that could be > > significantly harmful to our project. > > > > > > At first glance, the presentation of our work on OurMedia suggests > > to the average viewer that AIB has a political, anti-war stance and > > that AIB is a part of OurMedia. In fact this could not be farther from > > the truth, AiB takes pains to present a balanced view of life in Iraq, > > that simply shows the experiences and feelings of Iraqis, without > > adding a political tone. > > > > > > Basicallyin representing AIB, OurMedia selected a thumbnail of a > > woman with a translated quote underneath that says "May God Curse Bush > > and all those that brought him here." Obviously, this is not a quote > > that we would choose to have represent us. We worried about including > > that segment at all and feared that, out of context, separate from our > > other work, it could cause harm to the public face of the project, > > bring flamers, etc. However, inside of the entire episode, we felt it > > was acceptable and was reflective of the situation in Iraq. We care > > deeply about building a project that gives voice to Iraqi citizensnot > > towards pushing a political agenda. Such a posting can damage the > > perceptions of Alive in Baghdad and our future opportunities. > > > > > > Additionally, OurMedia indicates that we are a member of their > > organizationi.e. you'll notice to the right of the thumbnail, it > > lists a link titled "member page" that links to AliveinBaghdad.org. > > AiB is not, nor has it ever been, a member of Ourmedia. Given our > > experience, we question whether they actually have 125,000 members.... > > > > Jay @ Markus are addressing the issues and clearing up the > > misunderstandings, but I agree with you that someone reading that page > > will get certain incorrect impressions. > > > > Until reading the posts here, I didn't realize ourmedia was revlogging > > at all. I went to the page, saw the lady, saw the caption, clicked on > > "member page" and went straight to AiB. I think there's another link > > that says "media page" that goes to the AiB permalink for that video. > > I was looking for ANY member list at all, and couldn't find a list of > > content creators... you get "sponsors & partners", so that seemed odd > > as well. > > > > If a group's going to re-vlog material, especially sensitive material > > like AiB, thumbnail selection is CRITICAL. Until this situation, I > > would have assumed that the thumbnail used would have been the > > thumbnail supplied by the content creator. For instance, if you go to > > a video on blip and select "share", you can select the actual > > thumbnail that the creator uploaded. I would assume that that would > > be used in the revlog as well. You "can't" use some > > automatically-generated thumbnail, because it's completely out of > > context. You can have a video about cleaning up the neighborhood with > > examples of what NOT to do in it, and the randomly selected thumbnail > > is of some guy spraying paint on the side of a wall. People's > > impression of the video itself, and consequentially, the group > > responsible for it, is going to be affected by their perception of the > > out-of-context image representing the video. > > > > Also, Markus has already mentioned the link issue. "member page" > > makes the person who is certainly not a member of this group think the > > group is cheating or trying to gain something by sneaking an > > affiliation with them that they were never contacted about. It also > > gives more credence to the out-of-context still, because it looks like > > this entry was created by the group that created the video. > > > > The page itself doesn't mention revlogging in any fashion. It also > > says not to post other artists' copyrighted works without permission. > > I see where Brian would see this as a CC issue, because the > > implication is that nobody needed AiB's permission to post their > > material (in this case, revlogging, though it doesn't say that > > anywhere) because AiB's license allows use of the video under certain > > circumstances, including attribution, which the linkbacks took care of. > > > > I think it's an interesting topic that Brian's raised here. The > > obligation is attribution and whatever else, but attribution doesn't > > necessarily mean that the content creator received notice of that > > attribution. It also doesn't mean that the creator has APPROVAL over > > the use of their video... especially before it goes out to the public. > > Trackbacks and Pingbacks go out when the post is published, so by the > > time that the creator finds out about it and decides they want to > > contact the site and let them know what they'd like changed, the cat > > is already out of the proverbial bag. > > > > -- > > Bill C. > > http://reelsolid.tv > > http://blog.fastcompany.com/experts/bcammack/ > > >
