Re: [Videolib] YouTube to offer [and target] Indie/educational filmrental..Thoughts?

rbc24 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:42:25 -0800 (PST)

For now, you tube offers a way to let go of some documentary projectsthat I could never raise the funds to complete. One example, Iworked on a 16mm documentary in the 1980s about a ban on shocktreatment that was passed overwhelmingly by the voters of Berkeley,California. In order to preserve the film somewhere, I sold a fewcopies of this unfinished documentary to a few libraries like UCBerkeley and interested researchers and community groups. Then putit away.

Recently, I uploaded on you tube some of my favorite segments fromthat film (41 Days of Shock Ban). It's a small sacrifice to see iton a small screen since the episodes are grainy, full of celluloidscratches, grease pencil marks, video numbers, splices, dust and soon. In fact it may be the best way to see it. And, it is good toknow that there is a way --to slowly share-- the stories that moved me.

I may see this differently in a few months as the requirements foraccess tighten or become more commercial, or the viewer count stallsout.


Richard
http://www,richardcohenfilms.com





On Jan 21, 2010, at 12:25 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote:

I agree, Jo Ann.  YouTube is probably good enough for locally filmed
lectures.  Beyond that...caveat spectator (let the viewer beware!)

gary

Gary,

Not every university which utilizes streaming needs your level of

quality. A lot of us are just banging out content for English,biology,

history, sociology, etc classes. They are not film studies, they just

need easy, convenient, and inexpensive access to content. In someways,video is the new book. Lots of content for non-Art/Film studiesclasses

is visual now.

Jo Ann

Jo Ann Reynolds
Reserve Services Coordinator
University of Connecticut
Homer Babbidge Library
Storrs,  CT
860-486-1406
jo_ann.reyno...@uconn.edu

Question Reality


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[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
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Subject: Re: [Videolib] YouTube to offer [and target] Indie/educational

filmrental..Thoughts?

yeah...cool...YouTube...2"x3" pixelated images...gonna do wonders for

promoting quality filmmaking. We seem to be rapidly becoming aculture

of
Good Enough...

gary

I'm betting they will, especially if it's easy to do and they getthe
bulk of the revenue stream.
I'm still waiting for Amazon, Netflix, iTunes, etc. to wake up totheeducational market and allow libraries to purchase streams forcoursesfor varying lengths of time. Their prices to the home market surebeat
Swank.

Jo Ann

Jo Ann Reynolds
Reserve Services Coordinator
University of Connecticut
Homer Babbidge Library
Storrs,  CT
860-486-1406
jo_ann.reyno...@uconn.edu

Question Reality


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[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ScottSpicer
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:59 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] YouTube to offer [and target] Indie/educational
filmrental..Thoughts?

Just a little provocation for my friends in videolib land:

Came across this announcement

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/01/youtube-movie-rentals-today-sunda

nce-tomorrow-the-world/
   and I am curious to get some different perspectives (I can guess
some already)?  I know that Amazon/Netflix/iTunes offers [mostly

feature film] streaming for individual use, but if YouTubeexpands to

truly target indies/educational media folks is this somehow a game
changer?  Will any self-respecting producers actually sign up?

Best,
Scott


Scott Spicer
Media Outreach and Learning Spaces Librarian
Coordinated Educational Services
University of Minnesota Libraries
233 Walter Library 612.626.0629





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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:31:54 -0800
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...and WHY would one want to do that, exactly?

gary

Has anyone ever tried to get streaming rights for a feature film?
Even

for a day (or a week or two) with an identified number ofstudents?

Is
it outrageously prohibitive?  Does Swank do that?



My likely alternative is to put copies on reserve in our three
locations

and recommend local libraries, Netflix, and local rentallocations.

Thanks...jen



Jennifer Foster

Media Librarian

The Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library

361.570.4195

fost...@uhv.edu

http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and livelydiscussion of

issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
acquisition,bibliographic
control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video
formats in
libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will
serve
as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a
channel of

communication between libraries,educational institutions, andvideo

producers and distributors.



Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut




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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:32:26 -0500
From: Jessica Rosner <maddux2...@gmail.com>
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Yes Swank does it. I assumed that is who you were referring to re
pricing. Both Criterions do it too. I think small companies, Kino,
Milestone, Zeitgeist would probably do it for a fairly reasonable

fee.

I remain cynical of streaming for feature films because thereare far
too many that can not be licensed and probably never will be,
including Chaplin films, the majority of foreign language filmsetc.

think the studio product may well come down to a reasonableprice but

unless the course in question is Warner Bros films of the 30s, you
won't be able to clear many of the titles.

Jessica

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Foster, Jennifer <fost...@uhv.edu>
wrote:

Has anyone ever tried to get streaming rights for a feature film??
Even for
a day (or a week or two) with an identified number of students? Is

it

outrageously prohibitive?? Does Swank do that?



My likely alternative is to put copies on reserve in our three
locations and
recommend local libraries, Netflix, and local rental locations.
Thanks?jen



Jennifer Foster

Media Librarian

The Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library

361.570.4195

fost...@uhv.edu

http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu



VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion
of issues
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic
control,
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
libraries and
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an
effective
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of
communication

between libraries,educational institutions, and video producersand

distributors.




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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:36:24 -0800
From: "Sarah E. McCleskey" <sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu>
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Swank does it.  But it's not cheap.

Sarah E. McCleskey
Head of Access Services
Acting Director, FIlm and Media Library
112 Axinn Library, 123 Hofstra University
Hempstead, NY 11549-1230
516-463-5076
sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu

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] On Behalf Of Foster, Jennifer
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:11 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Streaming feature films

Has anyone ever tried to get streaming rights for a feature film?
Even for a day (or a week or two) with an identified number of
students? Is it outrageously prohibitive?  Does Swank do that?

My likely alternative is to put copies on reserve in our three
locations and recommend local libraries, Netflix, and local rental
locations. Thanks...jen

Jennifer Foster
Media Librarian
The Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library
361.570.4195
fost...@uhv.edu
http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu

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Sarah,

How much does Swank charge and how long is the term?

Best,

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Sheldon
Vice President
Kino Lorber, Inc.
333 West 39th St., Suite 503
New York, NY 10018
(212) 629-6880 tele

www.alivemindeducation.com







On Jan 21, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Sarah E. McCleskey wrote:

Swank does it.  But it?s not cheap.

Sarah E. McCleskey
Head of Access Services
Acting Director, FIlm and Media Library
112 Axinn Library, 123 Hofstra University
Hempstead, NY 11549-1230
516-463-5076
sarah.e.mccles...@hofstra.edu

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu

[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu

] On Behalf Of Foster, Jennifer
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:11 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Streaming feature films

Has anyone ever tried to get streaming rights for a feature film?
Even for a day (or a week or two) with an identified number of
students? Is it outrageously prohibitive?  Does Swank do that?

My likely alternative is to put copies on reserve in our three
locations and recommend local libraries, Netflix, and local rental
locations. Thanks?jen

Jennifer Foster
Media Librarian
The Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library
361.570.4195
fost...@uhv.edu
http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and livelydiscussion of

issues relating to the selection, evaluation,

acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use ofcurrentand evolving video formats in libraries and relatedinstitutions. It

is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
distributors.


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serve

as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a

channel of

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producers and distributors.



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Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of

issues relating to the selection, evaluation,acquisition,bibliographiccontrol, preservation, and use of current and evolving videoformats inlibraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list willserveas an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as achannelof communication between libraries,educational institutions, andvideo

producers and distributors.

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of

communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video
producers and distributors.



Gary Handman
Director
Media Resources Center
Moffitt Library
UC Berkeley

510-643-8566
ghand...@library.berkeley.edu
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC

"I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself."
--Francois Truffaut

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussionof issues relating to the selection, evaluation,acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of currentand evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions.It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working toolfor video librarians, as well as a channel of communication betweenlibraries,educational institutions, and video producers anddistributors.


http://www.richardcohenfilms.com

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