Dear Kim, Thank you for your response. If you wouldn't mind could you tell me how to turn off the record function on Real Player off-list? With regard to the source of the content on the file sharing sites, there is no way, I know, to determine where the material originated, some hard drive. As you know, these sites do not act as servers merely as clearing houses and they deliberately conceal who is "sharing" the files
Best Wishes Larry Lawrence Daressa California Newsreel 500 Third Street, #505 San Francisco, CA 94107 phone: 415.284.7800 x302 fax: 415.284.7801 [email protected] www.newsreel.org -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 27, Issue 83 Send videolib mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/[email protected] or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Good Morning Mr. Hitler (2, 000 Years of German Culture) (Chuck McCann) 2. Sympathetic Details (Rhonda Pancoe) 3. Re: Statement on video streaming (jwoo) 4. Re: Statement on video streaming ([email protected]) 5. UCLA Film & Television Archive?s ?The Goldbergs? DVD Release (Pauline Stakelon) 6. Re: Digital Streaming (Stanton, Kim) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:11:51 -0500 From: Chuck McCann <[email protected]> Subject: [Videolib] Good Morning Mr. Hitler (2, 000 Years of German Culture) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone have a DVD copy for purchase? -- Chuck McCann Strozier Library Scholars Common 850-644-5924 http://guides.lib.fsu.edu/multimedia http://guides.lib.fsu.edu/profile.php?uid=12569 http://www.youtube.com/user/fsulibraries -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. 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HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:05:07 -0800 From: jwoo <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Statement on video streaming To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed in the dumb questions category: I take it some DVDs are not encrypted? How do you tell? If not encrypted, does that mean DMCA doesn't have standing, and it's just fair use one is dealing with? also, is the issue with streaming the copying or the performance/ display? if the latter, if the DVD is not encrypted and you have PPR, is one in the clear to stream? thanks -- Janice (no streaming anticipated, just curious) On Feb 22, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Carrie Russell wrote: > Judy said: > > -------------------------------- > One interesting comment in this statement: > > "Moreover, educational institutions are likely to use only lawfully > made > and acquired copies" > > Not if the item which they want to stream is a DVD with protective > encryption, any digitized-for-streaming version of which is illegal." > ----------------------------------------------- > I say: This is true only to an extent. If a DVD is encrypted, the user > can use the video version of the title (if available), and digitize it > for the classroom stream. In addition, if the DVD is encrypted, > screen > capture software could be used (although the quality would suffer) > which the Copyright Office offered as a lawful alternative to DeCSS at > the last 1201 rulemaking. -Carrie Russell > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion > of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current > and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. > It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool > for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between > libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:22:23 -0800 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Videolib] Statement on video streaming To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Most commercial DVDs (that is, DVDs that are not DVD-R) have some form of encryption, I believe. I think the issue in the UCLA case has more to do with performance than encoding, but I'm sure encoding enters into the ball of wax. gary > in the dumb questions category: I take it some DVDs are not > encrypted? How do you tell? If not encrypted, does that mean DMCA > doesn't have standing, and it's just fair use one is dealing with? > > also, is the issue with streaming the copying or the performance/ > display? if the latter, if the DVD is not encrypted and you have > PPR, is one in the clear to stream? > > thanks -- Janice (no streaming anticipated, just curious) > > > On Feb 22, 2010, at 7:41 AM, Carrie Russell wrote: > >> Judy said: >> >> -------------------------------- >> One interesting comment in this statement: >> >> "Moreover, educational institutions are likely to use only lawfully >> made >> and acquired copies" >> >> Not if the item which they want to stream is a DVD with protective >> encryption, any digitized-for-streaming version of which is illegal." >> ----------------------------------------------- >> I say: This is true only to an extent. If a DVD is encrypted, the user >> can use the video version of the title (if available), and digitize it >> for the classroom stream. In addition, if the DVD is encrypted, >> screen >> capture software could be used (although the quality would suffer) >> which the Copyright Office offered as a lawful alternative to DeCSS at >> the last 1201 rulemaking. -Carrie Russell >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion >> of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current >> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. >> It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool >> for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> distributors. >> > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 [email protected] http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." --Francois Truffaut ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:29:10 -0800 From: Pauline Stakelon <[email protected]> Subject: [Videolib] UCLA Film & Television Archive?s ?The Goldbergs? DVD Release To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Everyone, The UCLA Film & Television Archive is very proud to announce its DVD release of ?The Ultimate Goldbergs!? Often referred to as a ?lost? television series, ?The Goldbergs? spanned four decades on radio and television and is considered the first television sitcom. The program made writer-producer Gertrude Berg?who also starred as urban Jewish matron Molly Goldberg?the most famous woman in America, and the first woman to win an Emmy Award for acting. You and your friends can support the Archive?s television work by purchasing your own copy of the digitally-remastered DVD set here: http://www.cinema.ucla.edu/goldbergs/ And we'll give you $5 off the purchase price of $59.95 if you use the promotional code: LIBLIST Thank you, Pauline Stakelon UCLA Film & Television Archive ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:35:37 -0600 From: "Stanton, Kim" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Digital Streaming To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" My IT department was able to turn off the Real Player "record" function on content being streamed from our server. We're also about to move away from Real, to Flash. In general, I agree with everything Gary said. We stream, authenticate, put a copyright notice on the site (as well as include the notice from the original film) and implement a few other technical protections, but I don't think any system can fully anticipate and protect against piracy. Larry, are you able to tell if the files you are sending take down notices for are originating from streaming site, or from someone ripping a DVD and throwing it online. I get the impression that the latter is still a more widespread problem. Best, Kim Kim Stanton Digital Media Librarian Media Library University of North Texas [email protected] P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 12:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Videolib] Digital Streaming Hi Larry Well, in the case of the loathsome Real Player, the obvious way to avoid issues would be to encode in a format which Real can't handle... As a general principle, however: if the institution is licensing password authentication rather than IP authentication (in other words, if the stream is available to all institutionally validated users from wherever...) it's virtually impossible to prevent digital shenanigans, if shenanigans are gonna happen. Libraries have historically indemnified themselves by giving clear indication to users of copyright requirements and restrictions (for example, the CONTU guidelines posted near copying machines). Policing copyright use beyond that is almost impossible. While there are technical workaround to secure files for use by authenticated users or locations, I've never seen or heard of a fix for potential piracy... One hopes that streaming, rather than allowing downloading, will take care of many of problems, but, as you indicate, there is no absolute solution at present. Gary > This is a technical question for the list - so please excuse me if I get > some of the details a little wrong. Newsreel, as most of you know, sells > password protected streaming rights for many of our titles. We leave it up > to library IT people to encode a digital file from a DVD and then stream > it from a licensor's local server its own authentication system and > player. This like the best approach for now since no single standard for > digital delivery exists and since many librarians prefer the content to > reside on their local server. When Newsreel has its own remote server, it > may be sufficient for a library simply to have a preservation and > reference file but for now we rely on local servers. > > I'm wondering what measures you take to insure that content licensed for > streaming is not being downloaded and then disseminated virally through > the plethora of file-sharing sites. Already, Newsreel spends an inordinate > amount of time issuing take-down orders to sites of varying degrees of > legitimacy. > > I'm especially interested in the solutions implemented by those of you > using the current version of RealPlayer SP or who allow students to use > it. As you know, this version offers viewer the option to download any > video streaming at the time. In fact, this is the player's default setting > which appears inside the player, so it almost seems to invite illicit > downloading. > > I realize any streamed video is hackable if a student has the skills, > motivation and the right shareware - as Google and others found out > recently. RealPlayer, however, goes out of its way to make it simple to > pilfer digital content. It once represented itself as the optimal video > player for the academic market and remains one of the four major digital > video players in use today. > > I know there are ways to encode video for streaming with protections > against downloading; Flash has programming codes that can be added to > video to prevent RealPlayer downloads and these are continually updated. > Similarly, a short forced video clip (like the commercials that precede > Hulu offerings) can "trick" the player into downloading the clip but not > the content. > > I'm wondering what methods you are using to insure that the digital > content you've licensed for streaming isn't being downloaded onto student > hard drives, IPods, DVDs, etc? Newsreel has compiled several simple > techniques for making unlicensed downloading more difficult. But I wonder > what ones you are currently using? Thanks. > > Larry > > Lawrence Daressa > California Newsreel > 500 Third Street, #505 > San Francisco, CA 94107 > phone: 415.284.7800 x302 > fax: 415.284.7801 > [email protected] > www.newsreel.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 9:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: videolib Digest, Vol 27, Issue 78 > > Send videolib mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/[email protected] > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Find me a photo of Jesus (Rubin, Nan) > 2. Re: The Google Book Settlement still isn't settled (Rubin, Nan) > 3. Statement on video streaming (Carrie Russell) > 4. Re: Statement on video streaming (Dennis Doros) > 5. Pilar Miro films (Karen Ketchaver) > 6. QUE VIVA MEXICO in the public domain? (Steffen, James M) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:57:22 -0500 > From: "Rubin, Nan" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Find me a photo of Jesus > To: "Association of Moving Image Archivists" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > Sent along by Catherine Stimac at Oregon Public Broadcasting, who is > coordinating the American Archive Pilot Project. On this thoroughly > entertaining short film, she sez "We owe a lot to the archivists, > researchers, producers, preservationists, and all of you! Check out this > NPR story. Brilliant!" > > > http://www.npr.org/blogs/pictureshow/2010/02/find_me_a_photo_of_jesus_an > d_o.html > ......... > > And also from this week's edition of On the Media, a great story > celebrating librarians! > > Brooke Gladstone's interview called "Librarians Gone Wild > > http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2010/02/19/08 > > February 19, 2010 > > "In her new book, author Marilyn Johnson argues that, even in the Google > age, human beings, namely librarians, are still the best resource for > accurate answers. In fact, Johnson says librarians are more important > now then ever before. Plus, they're fascinating! They compete in dance > competitions and blog about the quirky and downright disgusting behavior > of patrons." > > Personally, the Book Cart Drill Team competitions had me falling off my > chair. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpFf1i1_g5I > > > Go team! > > Nan Rubin > > Nan Rubin, Project Director > Preserving Digital Public Television > Thirteen > 450 W. 33rd St. > New York, NY 10001 > 212-560-2925 (direct line) > 212-560-2833 fax > [email protected] > www.ptvdigitalarchive.o > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:04:59 -0500 > From: "Rubin, Nan" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] The Google Book Settlement still isn't settled > To: "Association of Moving Image Archivists" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > One more great segment that was On the Media this week -- Larry Lessig > commenting on his negative take of the possible Google book settlement, > whenever and whatever it might be... > > Can't Quote This > February 19, 2010 > > This week a federal judge heard arguments to determine whether to > approve the settlement between Google and two major arms of the > publishing industry over Google Books. Many groups used this week's > hearings to air grievances with the project. Harvard Law professor > Lawrence Lessig argues an unintended consequence of the settlement could > alter print culture as we know it. > > http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2010/02/19/01 > > Best, > Nan Rubin > > Nan Rubin, Project Director > Preserving Digital Public Television > Thirteen > 450 W. 33rd St. > New York, NY 10001 > 212-560-2925 (direct line) > 212-560-2833 fax > [email protected] > www.ptvdigitalarchive.o > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:41:18 -0500 > From: "Carrie Russell" <[email protected]> > Subject: [Videolib] Statement on video streaming > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <6eef089fc9523345b836caacbbd9f2cc01fed...@alaexch01.alawash.internal> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Judy said: > > -------------------------------- > One interesting comment in this statement: > > "Moreover, educational institutions are likely to use only lawfully made > and acquired copies" > > Not if the item which they want to stream is a DVD with protective > encryption, any digitized-for-streaming version of which is illegal." > ----------------------------------------------- > I say: This is true only to an extent. If a DVD is encrypted, the user > can use the video version of the title (if available), and digitize it > for the classroom stream. In addition, if the DVD is encrypted, screen > capture software could be used (although the quality would suffer) > which the Copyright Office offered as a lawful alternative to DeCSS at > the last 1201 rulemaking. -Carrie Russell > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:48:44 -0500 > From: Dennis Doros <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Statement on video streaming > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Carrie, > > Just to clarify, by video, you mean VHS? That would make sense to me. > > Best, > Dennis > Milestone F&V > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Carrie Russell > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Judy said: >> >> -------------------------------- >> One interesting comment in this statement: >> >> "Moreover, educational institutions are likely to use only lawfully made >> and acquired copies" >> >> Not if the item which they want to stream is a DVD with protective >> encryption, any digitized-for-streaming version of which is illegal." >> ----------------------------------------------- >> I say: This is true only to an extent. If a DVD is encrypted, the user >> can use the video version of the title (if available), and digitize it >> for the classroom stream. In addition, if the DVD is encrypted, screen >> capture software could be used (although the quality would suffer) >> which the Copyright Office offered as a lawful alternative to DeCSS at >> the last 1201 rulemaking. -Carrie Russell >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries >> and >> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an >> effective >> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication >> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> distributors. >> > > > > -- > Best, > Dennis Doros > Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero > PO Box 128 > Harrington Park, NJ 07640 > Phone: 201-767-3117 > Fax: 201-767-3035 > email: [email protected] > www.milestonefilms.com > www.arayafilm.com > www.exilesfilm.com > www.wordisoutmovie.com > www.killerofsheep.com > AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org > Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 11:53:40 -0500 (EST) > From: Karen Ketchaver <[email protected]> > Subject: [Videolib] Pilar Miro films > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > A faculty member asked our library to acquire these films by the Spanish > director Pilar Miro: "El Crimen de Cuenca," "Gary Cooper, Que Estas en los > Cielos," "Hablamos Esta Noche," "Tu Nombre Envenena Mis Suenos," "El > Pajaro de la Felicidad," "La Peticion," "Werther," and "Beltenebros." I > found a PAL version of "Beltenebros" but have struck out with the others. > They seem to have been released on VHS in Europe, not in the U.S. > > I'm ready to throw up my hands - anyone have any ideas? Thank you. > > Karen G. Ketchaver > Acquisitions Unit Leader > Grasselli Library > John Carroll University > 20700 North Park Blvd. > University Hts., Ohio 44118-4581 > U.S.A. > (216)397-1622 phone/(216)397-1809 fax > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:03:57 -0500 > From: "Steffen, James M" <[email protected]> > Subject: [Videolib] QUE VIVA MEXICO in the public domain? > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > > <c9746823e2568f4c858f488a983edbc9016c64338...@exchange21.enterprise.emory.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm curious about this one... > > > > I came across Eisenstein's QUE VIVA MEXICO in the Internet Archive, listed > as a "public domain" title: > > > > http://www.archive.org/details/QuevivaMexico > > > > Note that it's the Grigori Alexandrov reconstruction dating from the > 1970s, and Kino is distributing it on DVD in the U.S. Needless to say, the > Internet Archive's copy looks lousy compared to the DVD. Mainly, I'm > curious as to how they could argue that it's in the public domain. > > > > --James > > > -- > James M. Steffen, PhD > Film Studies and Media Librarian > Theater and Dance Subject Liaison > Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library > Emory University > 540 Asbury Circle > Atlanta, GA 30322-2870 > > Phone: (404) 727-8107 > FAX: (404) 727-2257 > Email: [email protected] > Web: www.jamesmsteffen.net > > > > ________________________________ > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. 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It is hoped that the list will serve > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 [email protected] http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. 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