All good points, Dennis...I adore 16mm (and 35 and 70...) However:
Consider this: UC Berkeley, one of the premiere educational institutions in the world, does not have a single, working 16mm projector on campus (the PFA doesn't count...they're a world unto their own). I'm sure I'm not alone. For institutions that vestigal collections of non-theatrical 16mm, the options are often try to re-buy (which is almost NEVER possible, given the age of most of these) or saying, "Sorry!" and letter the 16mm rot stew in vinegar. We ain't talking about film studies here, really... gary > Dearest Gary, > > This is where I have to jump in. As a matter of fact, the interest in, and > study of, small gauge films (8mm, Super 8mm, 9.5, 16, 17.5, 28, etc) is > probably the biggest and best trend in film studies this past decade, > thanks > to Alan Berliner, Rick Prelinger and the Center for Home Movies folk > (among > others). There is a ton of young students buying the equipment and staging > screenings and installations around the country. The Medical Film > Symposium > in Philadelphia this January had an amazing exhibit. See > here<http://vimeo.com/13129778>. > I couldn't attend but people said it was fantastic to see all sixteen > projectors going at once all over the circular room and ceiling (including > the use of mirror balls). Warning: If you watch the link, these ARE > medical > films. > > And at just about archive conference, the "kids" are showing their own > small > gauge films (yes, projected) and their favorites from their archives. > > 16mm projectors are bulky, annoying to maintain (though fairly easy) and I > do admit arcane and unusable in most teaching contexts if for no other > reason than professors with three or four degrees seem to be afraid of > simple machinery. But we old folk are seeing it from the wrong end of the > telescope these days. We've BEEN there and DONE that (and I have four 16mm > projectors still) and thank video for ending those days. The young see it > much differently. > > And anyway, FREE AT LAST is owned and finding the director to get > permission > might be a little difficult but worth it in terms of legal *and* ethical > standards. Even if you fail to find him, you've done due diligence. > > Best, > Dennis > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:25 PM, <ghand...@library.berkeley.edu> wrote: > >> No court in the land that wouldn't accept 108 as applicable, Jessica. >> Let's face it, 16mm, if not obsolete, is increasingly arcane and >> unusable >> in most teaching contexts. I'm totally with you on knee-jerk >> conversions >> from vhs to DVD), but this ain't a matter of convenience, at all. >> >> Gary >> >> >> > Actually there is no indication 108 would apply at all. I see no >> > indication >> > the film is on death's door, merely that the Prof doesn't want to be >> > bothered screening it on 16mm ( which is definitely NOT a dead format) >> > As for what do to if it did in fact qualify, as usual I find your >> "civil >> > disobedience " claim a bit disingenuous. It is pretty much the same >> > (though >> > on a lower level) as schools or professors who claim they can dupe >> > anything >> > they want, stream anything they want etc because as educators >> copyright >> > law >> > really should not apply or at least restrict them. The section you >> often >> > quote in 108 is very, very clearly set up for archival purposes and >> not >> to >> > keep an item in circulation. It remains a very slippery slope from I >> need >> > to transfer my old VHS because I can't replace it, to I need to >> digitize >> > and >> > stream everything in the collection to make it easier to access. I >> suspect >> > some issues will come to a head soon with the UCLA case. >> > >> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM, <ghand...@library.berkeley.edu> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Technically, no one really "owns" a purchased copy of a piece of >> media, >> >> ever. You acquire the piece with certain rights and/or stipulations >> >> (right >> >> to screen or view it in certain contexts, etc. etc.) Most purchase >> >> transactions are implicitly or explicitly contractual and for the >> life >> >> of >> >> the physical piece being purchased. (Streamed media is a whole >> >> different >> >> kettle of fish, and most digital licenses reflect this fact). >> >> >> >> Unless the purchase contract for a film, tape, or DVD specifically >> >> states >> >> otherwise, the First Sale Doctrine allows a purchaser to resell, >> rent, >> >> loan, or otherwise transfer the physical piece to another individual >> or >> >> group for the life of the physical piece. >> >> >> >> Gary Handman >> >> >> >> >> >> > This is interesting because I've seen a few items in our collection >> >> that, >> >> > rather than being purchased outright, were listed as "lease for >> life." >> >> > It's just like a purchase in that we paid for it once and we can >> keep >> >> it >> >> > forever, but now I wonder if that kind of transaction changes what >> we >> >> can >> >> > do with it. That is, if we don't own it do some aspects of >> copyright >> >> law >> >> > not apply? >> >> > >> >> > Cheers, >> >> > >> >> > Matt >> >> > >> >> > ________________________________________ >> >> > >> >> > Matt Ball >> >> > Media and Collections Librarian >> >> > University of Virginia >> >> > Charlottesville, VA 22904 >> >> > mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu >> >> > [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of >> >> > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:06 PM >> >> > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> >> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Academic Libraries Add Netflix >> Subscriptions >> >> > >> >> > First Sale has to do with commercial property transfer exclusively, >> I >> >> > think. In other words, it has to do with the rights of legal >> buyers. >> >> The >> >> > NetFlix transaction is a rental--a temporary "lease"?--and is, I >> would >> >> > imagine, a different can o' worms. But then again, I'm in no way >> >> > positive. >> >> > >> >> > gary >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> One thing that comes to mind for me that hasn't come up in any of >> >> this >> >> >> discussion (which makes me wonder if I'm off base) is the issue of >> >> the >> >> >> first sale doctrine, which is what allows libraries to lend all >> that >> >> we >> >> >> lend. Borrowing dvds from Netflix would not confer this right, >> >> correct? >> >> >> Thereby making it rather clearly illegal. >> >> >> >> >> >> Am I thinking up the wrong tree (to butcher a metaphor)? >> >> >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________ >> >> >> Tom Ipri, MS >> >> >> Head, Media and Computer Services >> >> >> Lied Library >> >> >> University of Nevada, Las Vegas >> >> >> 4505 S. Maryland Pkwy >> >> >> Box 457035 >> >> >> Las Vegas, NV 89154-7035 >> >> >> 702-895-2183 >> >> >> tom.i...@unlv.edu >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: "Mark Gooch" <mgo...@wooster.edu> >> >> >> To: <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> >> >> >> Date: 09/21/2010 01:15 PM >> >> >> Subject: [Videolib] Academic Libraries Add Netflix >> >> Subscriptions >> >> >> Sent by: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Here's an interesting article from the Chronicle of Higher >> Education: >> >> >> "Academic Libraries Add Netflix Subscriptions" >> http://bit.ly/9n7g6n >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark D. Gooch >> >> >> Technology & Government Information Librarian >> >> >> The College of Wooster Libraries >> >> >> 1140 Beall Avenue >> >> >> Wooster, Ohio 44691 >> >> >> Phone: 330/263-2522 >> >> >> FAX: 330/263-2253 >> >> >> mgo...@wooster.edu >> >> >> AIM: mgooch90 >> >> >> Yahoo! IM: mgooch1 >> >> >> >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion >> of >> >> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> >> acquisition,bibliographic >> >> >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video >> formats >> >> in >> >> >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >> >> serve >> >> >> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a >> >> channel >> >> >> of >> >> >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and >> video >> >> >> producers and distributors. >> >> >> >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion >> of >> >> >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> >> acquisition,bibliographic >> >> >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video >> formats >> >> in >> >> >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >> >> serve >> >> >> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a >> >> channel >> >> >> of >> >> >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and >> video >> >> >> producers and distributors. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Gary Handman >> >> > Director >> >> > Media Resources Center >> >> > Moffitt Library >> >> > UC Berkeley >> >> > >> >> > 510-643-8566 >> >> > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >> >> > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >> >> > >> >> > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >> >> > --Francois Truffaut >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion >> of >> >> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> >> acquisition,bibliographic >> >> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video >> formats >> >> in >> >> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >> >> serve >> >> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a >> >> channel >> >> of >> >> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> >> > producers and distributors. >> >> > >> >> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion >> of >> >> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> >> acquisition,bibliographic >> >> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video >> formats >> >> in >> >> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >> >> serve >> >> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a >> >> channel >> >> of >> >> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> >> > producers and distributors. >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Gary Handman >> >> Director >> >> Media Resources Center >> >> Moffitt Library >> >> UC Berkeley >> >> >> >> 510-643-8566 >> >> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >> >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >> >> >> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >> >> --Francois Truffaut >> >> >> >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> >> issues >> >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> >> control, >> >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries >> >> and >> >> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an >> >> effective >> >> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of >> communication >> >> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> >> distributors. >> >> >> > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> acquisition,bibliographic >> > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats >> in >> > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >> serve >> > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a >> channel >> of >> > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> > producers and distributors. >> > >> >> >> Gary Handman >> Director >> Media Resources Center >> Moffitt Library >> UC Berkeley >> >> 510-643-8566 >> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >> --Francois Truffaut >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries >> and >> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an >> effective >> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication >> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> distributors. >> > > > > -- > Best, > Dennis Doros > Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero > PO Box 128 > Harrington Park, NJ 07640 > Phone: 201-767-3117 > Fax: 201-767-3035 > email: milefi...@gmail.com > www.milestonefilms.com > www.ontheboweryfilm.com > www.arayafilm.com > www.exilesfilm.com > www.wordisoutmovie.com > www.killerofsheep.com > AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org > Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook! > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
