I'm engaging here, not challenging, trying not to be my usual glib self. 

So, Judy, you're OK with the 50 sec. clip aspect of this collection, I take it, 
even for non-PD recordings? Those orphans, etc.? The rest of it, including full 
renditions, is available to legitimate UCLA users, and I imagine anyone who 
wanted to be working on the material in depth would want to be in the 
collection itself, as you point out. 

re: Strachwitz/Frontera. The 50 sec. clip combined with the label views of each 
record, and the indexing, is compelling for research at a distant. That is a 
related benefit ... "the power of digital" ... but I guess not specifically 
about the legalities of copying, 108 and so forth. Fabulous material comes to 
light because of a combination of the two ... the technology and the law that 
might allow it's extension. 

I guess I WANT to push the legalities a bit on this stuff. I am sitting in a 
room, listening to a recording, in an archive. Do I need to physically be there 
to hear it? There was a time when a/v collections allowed users to be 
downstairs and control playback by knobs -- that was perfectly OK. I refer to 
legitimate users. Don't we have an analogous situation today, just more 
sophisticated? 

I must say, it is ironic that in the article Strachwitz is quoted stating that 
UCLA is "chicken" to fully digitize. 

By the way, based on your recent missives, I suggest the coffee first -- then 
abundant new thoughts will flow. 

Randal Baier 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith P Shoaf" <jsh...@ufl.edu> 
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2011 6:43:28 AM 
Subject: Re: [Videolib] UCLA Case 




Thanks, Anthony, for the article about UCLA's Mexican music collection. 



Re consistent policies... There is a difference between making copyrighted 
materials available to enrolled students in a password-protected site (which is 
the film streaming situation) and putting copyrighted material on the web with 
free availability to anyone at all. The former case involves educational use as 
defined in the TEACH act (the legal question being whether they can digitize 
and stream an entire film, and perhaps whether TEACH covers course management 
systems in courses that have a standard brick-and-mortar classroom component). 



The publication of the music collection is untenable unless the music is 
clearly public domain, or the permissions are obtained. Making digital copies 
of the non-PD Mexican collection requires recourse to Section 108, which 
restricts use to the library itself. 




To me it sounds like what they are doing is perfectly adequate for scholars, 
who would nevertheless have to come to UCLA to study the full collection. On 
the other hand, it seems to me that researching the original musicians and 
publishers of the "orphan" works would be a part of constructing the history of 
this type of music, and therefore something the library should investigate or 
into which it should encourage investigation. 



Judy Shoaf, probably insufficiently caffeinated 

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