Sure Jessica and I finally wore you out, eh, James? Sorry to lose you from the list.
Gary > Gary, could you unsubscribe me from this list? Thank you. > > > > -- > James M. Steffen, PhD > Film and Media Studies Librarian > Theater, Dance, ILA/IDS and LGBT Subject Liaison > Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library > Emory University > 540 Asbury Circle > Atlanta, GA 30322-2870 > Phone: (404) 727-8107 > FAX: (404) 727-2257 > Email: jste...@emory.edu > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:05:20 -0400 > From: Jessica Rosner <jessicapros...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 46, Issue 27 > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <cacre6m-ee7hybjjsueovhiym3pbwoeny-jlhrx_b8vc5_sv...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Well there are few nuts out there, but those are mostly cranky French > companies. rights holders do not want their stuff to die, the smaller ones > ( non studios) and especially filmmakers, want very much for their > material to be available. However it costs serious money to remaster and > release material. I think the problem is students, faculty , IT and > administration people, not librarians. This group does if fact think films > should be free, and available at the press of button on their computer. > Some of them may be OK letting a library buy one copy if it is roughly $25 > and they can stream it, but feel anything more is a "waste". > > With all due respect no library is "preserving" a film by making a digital > copy from a VHS.They are actually getting an inferior copy that is down a > generation of an already vastly inferior image. The only way to "preserve" > a copy is using the best available elements and this is why I am so angry > about this. Duping VHS to DVD and calling preservation and archiving is > not only a joke, it does as I keep pointing out literally make it harder > for the material to ever be properly mastered and distributed. Dubbing > might cost a library a few bucks to pay a student worker to do it, real > preservation or mastering is thousands and in some cases tens of thousands > of dollars so you can see why rights holders might be just a wee pissed at > institutions dubbing films they themselves can't afford to do, into crappy > copies. I don't know if I was more upset at UCLA illegally streaming > thousands of films or using a 30 year old VHS copy of THE TIN DRUM for > example, a title which has been available on DVD for at least 15 years. > > > It is nice to know everyone here is happy to buy a new copy, but until > distributors know they can sell enough copies to cover the very high cost > of making a decent DVD, they simply can not afford to put them out. This > is why I have always wanted to focus to be on co-operation between > distributors and libraries on finding ways to make it that work, making > cheap DVDS of their films is not going to help. > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) > <jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu> wrote: >> ?Use it up, wear it out, make it do, do without.? >> >> >> >> We can do without if we have to.? There is always other content that >> students and faculty can use.? But again, I find it hard to believe >> that rights-holders would really rather their work just die than have >> someone take on the responsibility of preserving it, at their own >> expense, so that people could continue to see it? >> >> >> >> M- >> >> >> >> ______________________________ >> >> Matt Ball >> >> Media Services Librarian >> >> University of Virginia >> >> mattb...@virginia.edu >> >> 434-924-3812 >> >> >> >> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu >> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of >> catarch...@aol.com >> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 5:14 PM >> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu >> Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 46, Issue 27 >> >> >> >> We are a small distributor of many many short art films, and it would >> hardly be worthwhile for anyone to pirate our stuff. Where would they >> advertise it? >> >> And yet I have a dog in this fight. Because every so often we get an >> inquiry about a title and I respond with an order form, and the line >> goes dead. >> Why? Because we don't charge $10, we charge $50.? And I think they >> figure well let's see who has that, borrow it, and run off a copy. >> >> This whole discussion is really about having something that either you >> can't have or that costs more than you want to spend.? Parsing and >> splitting the copyright laws is just a proxy argument. >> >> If the XYZ Production Company ever does make a DVD of that title you >> want, you can buy it. And if not, not. >> >> May I quote what is sometimes referred to as the New England credo? >> >> Use it up, wear it out, make it do, do without. >> >> Stephan Chodorov >> Creative Arts Television >> www.catarchive.com >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current >> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It >> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for >> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> distributors. >> >> > > > > -- > Jessica Rosner > Media Consultant > 224-545-3897 (cell) > 212-627-1785 (land line) > jessicapros...@gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:40:01 -0700 > From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 46, Issue 27 > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <6a2c6d2d3afada6368ad3f3a603546a4.squir...@calmail.berkeley.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > > Hi Stephen (nice to hear from you!) > > I think there's a whole buncha confusion happening here regarding this > issue (Jessssica...I'm looking at you!) > > Libraries are in the business of selecting, acquiring, making accessible, > and preserving cultural content. That's what we do. "Use it up, wear > it out, make it do, do without" just doesn't fit this model--at least not > in research libraries. (Things vary from library type to library type...) > > I have a copy of Selling of the Pentagon (produced by CBS, 1971)--a > historic piece of TV. My vhs copy is dropping out as we speak. Used to > be distributed by the dearly departed Carousel Films. No one answers the > phone at CBS. Would I pay full price to replace on DVD?...in a NY minute. > What are my options: letting a landmark documentary crumble into mylar > and oxide? I don't think so. The law gives me the right to make a > replacement copy and that's what I'm gonna do. > > That's why libraries are around...to make sure this stuff stays around for > the future--no "if not, nots" about it. > > gary > > > > >> We are a small distributor of many many short art films, and it would >> hardly be worthwhile for anyone to pirate our stuff. Where would they >> advertise >> it? >> >> And yet I have a dog in this fight. Because every so often we get an >> inquiry about a title and I respond with an order form, and the line >> goes >> dead. >> Why? Because we don't charge $10, we charge $50. And I think they >> figure >> well let's see who has that, borrow it, and run off a copy. >> >> This whole discussion is really about having something that either you >> can't have or that costs more than you want to spend. Parsing and >> splitting >> the copyright laws is just a proxy argument. >> >> If the XYZ Production Company ever does make a DVD of that title you >> want, >> you can buy it. And if not, not. >> >> May I quote what is sometimes referred to as the New England credo? >> >> Use it up, wear it out, make it do, do without. >> >> Stephan Chodorov >> Creative Arts Television >> www.catarchive.comVIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively >> discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and >> evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is >> hoped >> that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video >> librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >> distributors. >> > > > Gary Handman > Director > Media Resources Center > Moffitt Library > UC Berkeley > > 510-643-8566 > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC > > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." > --Francois Truffaut > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:18:19 -0400 > From: Jessica Rosner <jessicapros...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 46, Issue 27 > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <cacre6m9abghq6royadsacoqztgb0dhjvu-m5frfqychb-rq...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > But for whatever reason CBS the owner is not making available in a > nice DVD and that does not give you the right to make > and circulate a copy. 108 is very clear on the restrictions you just > feel the greater good of making it available supersedes copyright law, > why bother to even use copyright as a defense if you believe you can > override what it says? > > Let's suppose Cinema Guild or First Run or whoever had put out a title > on VHS that you now needed on DVD. You contact them and they explain > that they have a problem with their master and it will cost them 4 > grand to make a new one so unless you can pay that much they can't > make you a copy. So now you just dub your own vastly inferior copy > because after all you need it. The distributor which simply can not > afford to make a new master is being ripped off. > > Or how about this. You paid $250 for a VHS 20 years ago, the rights > holder says they can indeed make you a VHS copy for the same $250 but > they can't do a DVD. How many libraries will pay that (as the law > requires FYI) or will they in fact just dub their own again inferior > DVD? > > Again let's not pretend this has anything to do with archiving or > preservation, it is because a school understandably wants to keep > using a film and when they find it is even an inconvenient format and > often not even at immediate risk ( as again the law requires) they > will just dub a copy, end up with something that looks bad and help > insure the better version is never released. > > Yep I am bit nasty today, but the " I would buy a 'real" copy if I > could " does not legally ( or morally in my view) justify making a bad > dub to use as you please. > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:40 PM, <ghand...@library.berkeley.edu> wrote: >> Hi Stephen (nice to hear from you!) >> >> I think there's a whole buncha confusion happening here regarding this >> issue (Jessssica...I'm looking at you!) >> >> Libraries are in the business of selecting, acquiring, making >> accessible, >> and preserving cultural content. ?That's what we do. ? ?"Use it up, wear >> it out, make it do, do without" just doesn't fit this model--at least >> not >> in research libraries. ?(Things vary from library type to library >> type...) >> >> I have a copy of Selling of the Pentagon (produced by CBS, 1971)--a >> historic piece of TV. ?My vhs copy is dropping out as we speak. ?Used to >> be distributed by the dearly departed Carousel Films. ?No one answers >> the >> phone at CBS. ?Would I pay full price to replace on DVD?...in a NY >> minute. >> ?What are my options: ?letting a landmark documentary crumble into mylar >> and oxide? ?I don't think so. ?The law gives me the right to make a >> replacement copy and that's what I'm gonna do. >> >> That's why libraries are around...to make sure this stuff stays around >> for >> the future--no "if not, nots" about it. >> >> gary >> >> >> >> >>> We are a small distributor of many many short art films, and it would >>> hardly be worthwhile for anyone to pirate our stuff. Where would they >>> advertise >>> it? >>> >>> And yet I have a dog in this fight. Because every so often we get an >>> inquiry about a title and I respond with an order form, and the line >>> goes >>> dead. >>> Why? Because we don't charge $10, we charge $50. ? And I think they >>> figure >>> well let's see who has that, borrow it, and run off a copy. >>> >>> This whole discussion is really about having something that either you >>> can't have or that costs more than you want to spend. ? Parsing and >>> splitting >>> the copyright laws is just a proxy argument. >>> >>> If the XYZ Production Company ever does make a DVD of that title you >>> want, >>> you can buy it. And if not, not. >>> >>> May I quote what is sometimes referred to as the New England credo? >>> >>> Use it up, wear it out, make it do, do without. >>> >>> Stephan Chodorov >>> Creative Arts Television >>> www.catarchive.comVIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and >>> lively >>> discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and >>> evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is >>> hoped >>> that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video >>> librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >>> distributors. >>> >> >> >> Gary Handman >> Director >> Media Resources Center >> Moffitt Library >> UC Berkeley >> >> 510-643-8566 >> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >> --Francois Truffaut >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve >> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel >> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> > > > > -- > Jessica Rosner > Media Consultant > 224-545-3897 (cell) > 212-627-1785 (land line) > jessicapros...@gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:36:30 -0700 > From: ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 46, Issue 27 > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <e72b0d78070d3c2fcbe6fc20fd5c7a13.squir...@calmail.berkeley.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > > my brain hurts > > > The CBS example falls absolutely and categorically under 108. We've made > attempts to buy this film IN ANY FORMAT AVAILABLE (from the original vhs > distributor, from the producers, or from CBS) and it is not available. We > have a legally acquired VHS that's falling apart. I don't know how much > clearer a case of 108 eligibility you want, Jessica. > > Let's suppose Cinema Guild or First Run or whoever had put out a title > on VHS that you now needed on DVD. > > You're friggin' driving me nuts! If it were available for repurchase on > VHS only, that's what we'd do. If we didn't want to support that format > any longer, we wouldn't. > > I don't know how to say this any clearer. I realize that some libraries > think they can migrate formats for convenience sake...that's not what I'm > saying or what this project is all about, Jessica. The Mellon project is > trying to develop best practices and guidelines that would help libraries > avoid these kinds of operational and legal missteps. It may be that the > interpretations of 108 aren't going to be exactly your (or AIME's)cup of > tea, but they're going to be informed, good faith efforts to do the right > thing on the part of libraries. > > gary > > > >> But for whatever reason CBS the owner is not making available in a >> nice DVD and that does not give you the right to make >> and circulate a copy. 108 is very clear on the restrictions you just >> feel the greater good of making it available supersedes copyright law, >> why bother to even use copyright as a defense if you believe you can >> override what it says? >> >> Let's suppose Cinema Guild or First Run or whoever had put out a title >> on VHS that you now needed on DVD. You contact them and they explain >> that they have a problem with their master and it will cost them 4 >> grand to make a new one so unless you can pay that much they can't >> make you a copy. So now you just dub your own vastly inferior copy >> because after all you need it. The distributor which simply can not >> afford to make a new master is being ripped off. >> >> Or how about this. You paid $250 for a VHS 20 years ago, the rights >> holder says they can indeed make you a VHS copy for the same $250 but >> they can't do a DVD. How many libraries will pay that (as the law >> requires FYI) or will they in fact just dub their own again inferior >> DVD? >> >> Again let's not pretend this has anything to do with archiving or >> preservation, it is because a school understandably wants to keep >> using a film and when they find it is even an inconvenient format and >> often not even at immediate risk ( as again the law requires) they >> will just dub a copy, end up with something that looks bad and help >> insure the better version is never released. >> >> Yep I am bit nasty today, but the " I would buy a 'real" copy if I >> could " does not legally ( or morally in my view) justify making a bad >> dub to use as you please. >> >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:40 PM, <ghand...@library.berkeley.edu> wrote: >>> Hi Stephen (nice to hear from you!) >>> >>> I think there's a whole buncha confusion happening here regarding this >>> issue (Jessssica...I'm looking at you!) >>> >>> Libraries are in the business of selecting, acquiring, making >>> accessible, >>> and preserving cultural content. ?That's what we do. ? ?"Use it up, >>> wear >>> it out, make it do, do without" just doesn't fit this model--at least >>> not >>> in research libraries. ?(Things vary from library type to library >>> type...) >>> >>> I have a copy of Selling of the Pentagon (produced by CBS, 1971)--a >>> historic piece of TV. ?My vhs copy is dropping out as we speak. ?Used >>> to >>> be distributed by the dearly departed Carousel Films. ?No one answers >>> the >>> phone at CBS. ?Would I pay full price to replace on DVD?...in a NY >>> minute. >>> ?What are my options: ?letting a landmark documentary crumble into >>> mylar >>> and oxide? ?I don't think so. ?The law gives me the right to make a >>> replacement copy and that's what I'm gonna do. >>> >>> That's why libraries are around...to make sure this stuff stays around >>> for >>> the future--no "if not, nots" about it. >>> >>> gary >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> We are a small distributor of many many short art films, and it would >>>> hardly be worthwhile for anyone to pirate our stuff. Where would they >>>> advertise >>>> it? >>>> >>>> And yet I have a dog in this fight. Because every so often we get an >>>> inquiry about a title and I respond with an order form, and the line >>>> goes >>>> dead. >>>> Why? Because we don't charge $10, we charge $50. ? And I think they >>>> figure >>>> well let's see who has that, borrow it, and run off a copy. >>>> >>>> This whole discussion is really about having something that either you >>>> can't have or that costs more than you want to spend. ? Parsing and >>>> splitting >>>> the copyright laws is just a proxy argument. >>>> >>>> If the XYZ Production Company ever does make a DVD of that title you >>>> want, >>>> you can buy it. And if not, not. >>>> >>>> May I quote what is sometimes referred to as the New England credo? >>>> >>>> Use it up, wear it out, make it do, do without. >>>> >>>> Stephan Chodorov >>>> Creative Arts Television >>>> www.catarchive.comVIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and >>>> lively >>>> discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >>>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current >>>> and >>>> evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is >>>> hoped >>>> that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video >>>> librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >>>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >>>> distributors. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Gary Handman >>> Director >>> Media Resources Center >>> Moffitt Library >>> UC Berkeley >>> >>> 510-643-8566 >>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >>> >>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >>> --Francois Truffaut >>> >>> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >>> serve >>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel >>> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>> producers and distributors. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jessica Rosner >> Media Consultant >> 224-545-3897 (cell) >> 212-627-1785 (land line) >> jessicapros...@gmail.com >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve >> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel >> of >> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> > > > Gary Handman > Director > Media Resources Center > Moffitt Library > UC Berkeley > > 510-643-8566 > ghand...@library.berkeley.edu > http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC > > "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." > --Francois Truffaut > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:54:26 -0400 > From: Jessica Rosner <jessicapros...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 46, Issue 27 > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <CACRe6m9HD=-gEpqS=3Xn0BAusuY-BW72auntg1V7HMX=P=p...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > With all due respect Gary you keep moving the goal post. On the one > hand you say such copies should be restricted as the law states to > copies that are deteriorating while at the same time saying it is not > really right. You have more than once stated that you just don't > accept that when copied , the copies can not go beyond the library > premise and are basically for research copies. I invite anyone to > check out the LOC special report on 108 which strongly states that > such copying/preservation should only be allowed by institutions ( > archives or libraries) which have real archiving & preservation > capabilities ( which are spelled out). I don't know how many times I > have to say that dubbing VHS to DVD makes an INFERIOR copy and is not > a preservation nor an action by any archive. If you want to use 108 to > simply dub copies of out of print titles than you and Mellon need to > make sure the restrictions are clearly stated and stop the BS that it > is any kind of preservation. May I assume your copy The Selling of the > Pentagon will remain at the library for research and not sent off > premise? > > I gave you specific examples of situations which you in fact did not > answer or respond to and which I think you know the majority of > institutions would in fact simply make a copy even if perhaps you > would not. > > The "best practices" seem to basically be , it is out of print so make > a copy and circulate it. You know this is what many universities > already do and I suspect Mellon is just for cover. I did email you off > list regarding why I would never trust anything headed by NYU which I > know has routinely violated copyright and the specific party who has > openly stated he believes academics are entitled to copies which while > they might prefer to obtain legally , they are will get anyway they > can. > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:36 PM, <ghand...@library.berkeley.edu> wrote: >> my brain hurts >> >> >> The CBS example falls absolutely and categorically under 108. ?We've >> made >> attempts to buy this film IN ANY FORMAT AVAILABLE (from the original vhs >> distributor, from the producers, or from CBS) and it is not available. >> ?We >> have a legally acquired VHS that's falling apart. ?I don't know how much >> clearer a case of 108 eligibility you want, Jessica. >> >> Let's suppose Cinema Guild or First Run or whoever had put out a title >> on VHS that you now needed on DVD. >> >> You're friggin' driving me nuts! ?If it were available for repurchase on >> VHS only, that's what we'd do. ? If we didn't want to support that >> format >> any longer, we wouldn't. >> >> I don't know how to say this any clearer. ?I realize that some libraries >> think they can migrate formats for convenience sake...that's not what >> I'm >> saying or what this project is all about, Jessica. ?The Mellon project >> is >> trying to develop best practices and guidelines that would help >> libraries >> avoid these kinds of operational and legal missteps. ?It may be that the >> interpretations of 108 aren't going to be exactly your (or AIME's)cup of >> tea, but they're going to be informed, good faith efforts to do the >> right >> thing on the part of libraries. >> >> gary >> >> >> >>> But for whatever ? reason CBS ?the owner ?is not making available in a >>> nice DVD and that does not give you ?the right to make >>> and circulate a copy. 108 is very clear on the restrictions you just >>> feel the greater good of making it available supersedes copyright law, >>> why bother to even use copyright as a defense if you believe you can >>> override what it says? >>> >>> Let's suppose Cinema Guild or First Run or whoever had put out a title >>> on VHS that you now needed on DVD. You contact them and they explain >>> that they have a problem with their master and it will cost them 4 >>> grand to make a new one so unless you can pay that much they can't >>> make you a copy. So now you just dub your own vastly inferior copy >>> because after all you need it. The distributor which simply can not >>> afford to make a new master is being ripped off. >>> >>> Or how about this. You paid $250 for a VHS 20 years ago, the rights >>> holder says they can indeed make you a VHS copy for the same $250 but >>> they can't do a DVD. How many libraries will pay that (as the law >>> requires FYI) or will they in fact just dub their own again inferior >>> DVD? >>> >>> Again let's not pretend this has anything to do with archiving or >>> preservation, it is because a school understandably wants to keep >>> using a film and when they find it is even an inconvenient format and >>> often not even at immediate risk ( as again the law requires) they >>> will just dub a copy, end up with something that looks bad and help >>> insure the better version is never released. >>> >>> Yep I am bit nasty today, but the ?" I would buy a 'real" copy ?if I >>> could " does not legally ( or morally in my view) justify making a bad >>> dub to use as ?you please. >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:40 PM, ?<ghand...@library.berkeley.edu> >>> wrote: >>>> Hi Stephen (nice to hear from you!) >>>> >>>> I think there's a whole buncha confusion happening here regarding this >>>> issue (Jessssica...I'm looking at you!) >>>> >>>> Libraries are in the business of selecting, acquiring, making >>>> accessible, >>>> and preserving cultural content. ?That's what we do. ? ?"Use it up, >>>> wear >>>> it out, make it do, do without" just doesn't fit this model--at least >>>> not >>>> in research libraries. ?(Things vary from library type to library >>>> type...) >>>> >>>> I have a copy of Selling of the Pentagon (produced by CBS, 1971)--a >>>> historic piece of TV. ?My vhs copy is dropping out as we speak. ?Used >>>> to >>>> be distributed by the dearly departed Carousel Films. ?No one answers >>>> the >>>> phone at CBS. ?Would I pay full price to replace on DVD?...in a NY >>>> minute. >>>> ?What are my options: ?letting a landmark documentary crumble into >>>> mylar >>>> and oxide? ?I don't think so. ?The law gives me the right to make a >>>> replacement copy and that's what I'm gonna do. >>>> >>>> That's why libraries are around...to make sure this stuff stays around >>>> for >>>> the future--no "if not, nots" about it. >>>> >>>> gary >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> We are a small distributor of many many short art films, and it would >>>>> hardly be worthwhile for anyone to pirate our stuff. Where would they >>>>> advertise >>>>> it? >>>>> >>>>> And yet I have a dog in this fight. Because every so often we get an >>>>> inquiry about a title and I respond with an order form, and the line >>>>> goes >>>>> dead. >>>>> Why? Because we don't charge $10, we charge $50. ? And I think they >>>>> figure >>>>> well let's see who has that, borrow it, and run off a copy. >>>>> >>>>> This whole discussion is really about having something that either >>>>> you >>>>> can't have or that costs more than you want to spend. ? Parsing and >>>>> splitting >>>>> the copyright laws is just a proxy argument. >>>>> >>>>> If the XYZ Production Company ever does make a DVD of that title you >>>>> want, >>>>> you can buy it. And if not, not. >>>>> >>>>> May I quote what is sometimes referred to as the New England credo? >>>>> >>>>> Use it up, wear it out, make it do, do without. >>>>> >>>>> Stephan Chodorov >>>>> Creative Arts Television >>>>> www.catarchive.comVIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and >>>>> lively >>>>> discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >>>>> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current >>>>> and >>>>> evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is >>>>> hoped >>>>> that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video >>>>> librarians, as well as a channel of communication between >>>>> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and >>>>> distributors. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Gary Handman >>>> Director >>>> Media Resources Center >>>> Moffitt Library >>>> UC Berkeley >>>> >>>> 510-643-8566 >>>> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >>>> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >>>> >>>> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >>>> --Francois Truffaut >>>> >>>> >>>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, >>>> acquisition,bibliographic >>>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats >>>> in >>>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >>>> serve >>>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a >>>> channel >>>> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>>> producers and distributors. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jessica Rosner >>> Media Consultant >>> 224-545-3897 (cell) >>> 212-627-1785 (land line) >>> jessicapros...@gmail.com >>> >>> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >>> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >>> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >>> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will >>> serve >>> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel >>> of >>> communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >>> producers and distributors. >>> >> >> >> Gary Handman >> Director >> Media Resources Center >> Moffitt Library >> UC Berkeley >> >> 510-643-8566 >> ghand...@library.berkeley.edu >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC >> >> "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." >> --Francois Truffaut >> >> >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of >> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic >> control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in >> libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve >> as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel >> of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video >> producers and distributors. >> > > > > -- > Jessica Rosner > Media Consultant > 224-545-3897 (cell) > 212-627-1785 (land line) > jessicapros...@gmail.com > > > > End of videolib Digest, Vol 46, Issue 31 > **************************************** > > ________________________________ > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. 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It is hoped that the list will serve > as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC "I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself." --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
