Somehow this just does not feel as threatening as last time we fought this...This may be a challenge to public libraries who buy multiple copies, but I would think that most academic libraries will purchase a single consumer copy on release day through Amazon like any other individual (SCOTUS says libraries have individual rights too, correct?)
-Scott On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:05 AM, <videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu>wrote: > Send videolib mailing list submissions to > videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://calmail.berkeley.edu/manage/list/listinfo/videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > videolib-ow...@lists.berkeley.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of videolib digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Music Appreciation DVDs (Beverly Weisenberg) > 2. Re: Music Appreciation DVDs (Tatar, Becky) > 3. Re: Warner Bros. to Delay DVD Release (Jaeschke, Myles) > 4. Re: Warner Bros. to Delay DVD Release (Jessica Rosner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:32:46 -0500 > From: Beverly Weisenberg <b...@landmarkmedia.com> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Music Appreciation DVDs > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <calnbrwsle3_ycsivg2ffklwoofxz6gk7f5w1a8vzrdodcoa...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Take a look at this link. It might help. > Bev > http://www.landmarkmedia.com/videos_Detail.asp?videokey=106 > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Mary Lou Neighbour <mneig...@mc3.edu > >wrote: > > > I am appealing to the wisdom of the list. A music faculty member wants > > recent dvds on the various eras of classical music: **** > > > > ** ** > > > > Middle Ages & Renaissance**** > > > > Baroque**** > > > > Classical**** > > > > Romantic**** > > > > 20th Century**** > > > > ** ** > > > > He would like something visually stimulating and attention-grabbing. We > > have in our collection:**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Art and Music as Reflections of Time (VHS) 1986, originally 1974, which > has > > parts on all of the eras**** > > > > Teaching Company?s Music Appreciation series of lectures (VHS) 1993**** > > > > Leonard Bernstein?s Young People?s Concerts (DVD)**** > > > > Various VHS and DVD productions on individual composers**** > > > > ** ** > > > > What the faculty member would like are interesting, dynamic presentations > > on all of the eras. On OCLC, I found a Films for Humanities series, The > > CLEARVUE/eav Art & Music Series - 8 parts for $799.60. It is not > available > > on Films on Demand, which we purchase yearly. Even though the > description > > calls the series visually dynamic, all I saw in some of the various part > > previews was a talking head.**** > > > > ** ** > > > > I have checked a number of our regular vendors, and have found nothing > that > > fits the bill. Do any of you wise librarians have any suggestions??? > Any > > help would be greatly appreciated!**** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > Mary Lou Neighbour**** > > > > AV Librarian/Assistant Professor**** > > > > Montgomery County Community College**** > > > > 340 DeKalb Pike**** > > > > Blue Bell, PA 19422**** > > > > mneig...@mc3.edu 215-619-7355**** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > ------------------------------ > > Montgomery County Community College is proud to be > > the #1 ranked technology-savvy community college in the nation, > > as determined by the Center for Digital Education and Converge magazine. > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues > > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries > and > > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an > effective > > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > > distributors. > > > > > > > -- > please note my new email address b...@landmarkmedia.com > > Beverly Weisenberg > Vice President, Sales > LANDMARK MEDIA, INC > 100 N. Milwaukee Ave #603 > Wheeling, IL 60090 > ph 800-999-6645 > fx 847-279-8055 > www.landmarkmedia.com > ------------------------------------ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:40:14 -0500 > From: "Tatar, Becky" <blt...@aurora.lib.il.us> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Music Appreciation DVDs > To: <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> > Message-ID: > < > ffd9babf01c2ea47a1b3833f6d9bf8db209...@wmain3.aurorapubliclibrary.org> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > There was a series in 1982 from Films for the Humanities called Music in > Time, hosted by James Galway. We used to have it, and I remember it as > being 4 videocassettes, but World Cat has an entry for the series and > lists 16. > > > > Becky Tatar > > Periodicals/Audiovisuals > > Aurora Public Library > > 1 E. Benton Street > > Aurora, IL 60505 > > Phone: 630-264-4100 > > FAX: 630-896-3209 > > blt...@aurora.lib.il.us > > www.aurorapubliclibrary.org > > > > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu > [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Mary Lou > Neighbour > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:20 AM > To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu' > Subject: [Videolib] Music Appreciation DVDs > > > > I am appealing to the wisdom of the list. A music faculty member wants > recent dvds on the various eras of classical music: > > > > Middle Ages & Renaissance > > Baroque > > Classical > > Romantic > > 20th Century > > > > He would like something visually stimulating and attention-grabbing. We > have in our collection: > > > > Art and Music as Reflections of Time (VHS) 1986, originally 1974, which > has parts on all of the eras > > Teaching Company's Music Appreciation series of lectures (VHS) 1993 > > Leonard Bernstein's Young People's Concerts (DVD) > > Various VHS and DVD productions on individual composers > > > > What the faculty member would like are interesting, dynamic > presentations on all of the eras. On OCLC, I found a Films for > Humanities series, The CLEARVUE/eav Art & Music Series - 8 parts for > $799.60. It is not available on Films on Demand, which we purchase > yearly. Even though the description calls the series visually dynamic, > all I saw in some of the various part previews was a talking head. > > > > I have checked a number of our regular vendors, and have found nothing > that fits the bill. Do any of you wise librarians have any > suggestions??? Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > > > > > Mary Lou Neighbour > > AV Librarian/Assistant Professor > > Montgomery County Community College > > 340 DeKalb Pike > > Blue Bell, PA 19422 > > mneig...@mc3.edu 215-619-7355 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Montgomery County Community College is proud to be > the #1 ranked technology-savvy community college in the nation, > as determined by the Center for Digital Education and Converge magazine. > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. > HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:39:03 -0500 > From: "Jaeschke, Myles" <mjae...@tulsalibrary.org> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Warner Bros. to Delay DVD Release > To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> > Cc: Eric Timm <et...@midwesttapes.com>, "Moran, Rosemary" > <rmo...@tulsalibrary.org> > Message-ID: > <879996668085EE4AB2AAB049051C420D9430486A43@TCCL-EMail.central.local > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The 28 day hold may not be a big deal in the long run but explaining that > to 100's of customers who are on hold for it in the short term is another > thing. And yes the removal of additional material is a big minus for > libraries. It's one I'm not going to stand for. > > "Warner Home Video has announced that it may seek to enforce its new > policy by auditing its distribution partners' sales. Additionally, Warner > may require retailers, like Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart, and Target, to limit > the number of copies of a new release that may be sold to a single > customer." > > Really?! This is too funny. Yes, online purchases will most likely be > restricted to 3 copies per customer at the major's (Amazon, Best Buy, > Walmart.com, etc). However there are 100s of reputable DVD retailers online > that will be selling these titles--how many of them do you think are > "distribution partners'"?? > > Do you really think that a cashier at Target is going to care if you are > buying 5-25 copies of a title? Even if they do so what? Buy your 3 and > move to the next store if you need 25+ like me. Or better yet buy 3, go > back in the store and find another cashier and buy 3 more. > > The big losers in this deal are the folks at Midwest Tapes and other > "distribution partners'" who us librarians rely on to deliver product in a > timely fashion and in many cases pre-processed so we may get the product to > our eager customers on street dates. It's a HUGE inconvenience to us, but > if you want the retail edition make a point of buying it from > retailers/distributors that will sell it to you (even if it is just 3 at a > time...) It's a crappy policy, and hopefully Warner will realize the error > of their ways and also follow Fox's failed experiment and abandon it > promptly. If not, just continue to buy those retail copies where you can. > Warner (or anyone else) cannot dictate first-sale doctrine to us and what > we do with our copies (but they sure can make it inconvenient to get them). > > Myles Jaeschke > Tulsa City-County Library > Media Collections > > -----Original Message----- > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: > videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:48 PM > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Warner Bros. to Delay DVD Release > > I find it hard to believe WB only releases 12 films a year though I > doubt more than 30. I am not a librarian but the 28 hold in exchange > for a cheaper copy does not seem that terrible to me, but I have a big > problem with not being able to get extras ( thought that is no > mentioned here) > > Honestly given that it is so few titles it seems like it might be > worth some kind of organized library protest as it not be very hard to > just by a copy or two at a local retail outlet. > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Ralph Tomlinson > <rtomlin...@olatheks.org> wrote: > > Just received this from Midwest Tapes: > > > > > > > > We have recently learned that Warner Home Video will no longer distribute > > theatrical releases to libraries or home video rental stores until 28 > days > > after they release the movies for sale at retailers. This Warner Home > Video > > policy applies to all public libraries and video rental outlets such as > > Redbox, Netflix, and Blockbuster. > > > > In addition to being released 28 days after the retail version, Warner's > > rental version DVDs and Blu-rays will not contain bonus features or > extras. > > However, we understand that there will be a significant price reduction > for > > these products, apparently amounting to an average $4 per DVD title and > $8 > > per Blu-ray title. > > > > Warner Home Video has announced that it may seek to enforce its new > policy > > by auditing its distribution partners' sales. Additionally, Warner may > > require retailers, like Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart, and Target, to limit > the > > number of copies of a new release that may be sold to a single customer. > > > > Please note that Warner's new policy will only impact titles that have a > > theatrical release, perhaps amounting to about 12 titles per year. > > Non-theatrical Warner releases will not be affected by this policy. > > > > Below are the first three Warner theatrical titles affected. Note that > > Warner's rental versions will feature rental artwork. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ralph Tomlinson > > Audio-visual/reference librarian > > Adult Services > > Olathe Public Library > > 201 E. Park Street > > Olathe, KS 66061 > > (913) 971-6850 > > rtomlin...@olatheks.org > > > > First 3 DVDs mentioned? in the release are: Crazy Stupid Love, Harry > Potter > > and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 and The Hangover Part 2. > > > > > > > > Seems like not that long ago some studios were discussing simultaneous > > release. Letter-writing campaign, anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues > > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries > and > > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an > effective > > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > > distributors. > > > > > > > > -- > Jessica Rosner > Media Consultant > 224-545-3897 (cell) > 212-627-1785 (land line) > jessicapros...@gmail.com > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:05:11 -0400 > From: Jessica Rosner <jessicapros...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Warner Bros. to Delay DVD Release > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <cacre6m9mzzgwfromtyjp_wzwvgb3lcsufmrfvv3_jzogbda...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > There is no question it is pretty easy to get around, the question is > how many libraries are going to go the trouble of running over to > Walmart or Target with some petty cash or their own CC ( to be > reimbursed)? I honestly hope libraries would make an organized effort > on this, though spending time to be able to purchase what are likely > to be a lot of crappy Hollywood movies may not seem like a great > cause. Once a rights holder be they a giant studio or small company > decides to sell their product wholesale through third parties they > should not be able to dictate terms of any legal purchase or use. > > Also I am still confused by the extras issue. The first post made is > sound like libraries could NEVER purchase the copies with extras > through Mid-West tape or did I get that wrong? > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Jaeschke, Myles > <mjae...@tulsalibrary.org> wrote: > > The 28 day hold may not be a big deal in the long run but explaining that > to 100's of customers who are on hold for it in the short term is another > thing. ?And yes the removal of additional material is a big minus for > libraries. ?It's one I'm not going to stand for. > > > > "Warner Home Video has announced that it may seek to enforce its new > ?policy by auditing its distribution partners' sales. Additionally, Warner > may require retailers, like Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart, and Target, to limit > the number of copies of a new release that may be sold to a single > customer." > > > > Really?! This is too funny. ?Yes, online purchases will most likely be > restricted to 3 copies per customer at the major's (Amazon, Best Buy, > Walmart.com, etc). ?However there are 100s of reputable DVD retailers online > that will be selling these titles--how many of them do you think are > "distribution partners'"?? > > > > Do you really think that a cashier at Target is going to care if you are > buying 5-25 copies of a title? ?Even if they do so what? ?Buy your 3 and > move to the next store if you need 25+ like me. ?Or better yet buy 3, go > back in the store and find another cashier and buy 3 more. > > > > The big losers in this deal are the folks at Midwest Tapes and other > "distribution partners'" who us librarians rely on to deliver product in a > timely fashion and in many cases pre-processed so we may get the product to > our eager customers on street dates. ? It's a HUGE inconvenience to us, but > if you want the retail edition make a point of buying it from > retailers/distributors that will sell it to you (even if it is just 3 at a > time...) ? It's a crappy policy, and hopefully Warner will realize the error > of their ways and also follow Fox's failed experiment and abandon it > promptly. ?If not, just continue to buy those retail copies where you can. > ?Warner (or anyone else) cannot dictate first-sale doctrine to us and what > we do with our copies (but they sure can make it inconvenient to get them). > > > > Myles Jaeschke > > Tulsa City-County Library > > Media Collections > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: > videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner > > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:48 PM > > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Warner Bros. to Delay DVD Release > > > > I find it hard to believe WB only releases 12 films a year though I > > doubt more than 30. I am not a librarian but the 28 hold in exchange > > for a cheaper copy does not seem that terrible to me, but I have a big > > problem with not being able to get extras ( thought that is no > > mentioned here) > > > > Honestly given that it is so few titles it seems like it might be > > worth some kind of organized library protest as it not be very hard to > > just by a copy or two at a local retail outlet. > > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Ralph Tomlinson > > <rtomlin...@olatheks.org> wrote: > >> Just received this from Midwest Tapes: > >> > >> > >> > >> We have recently learned that Warner Home Video will no longer > distribute > >> theatrical releases to libraries or home video rental stores until 28 > days > >> after they release the movies for sale at retailers. This Warner Home > Video > >> policy applies to all public libraries and video rental outlets such as > >> Redbox, Netflix, and Blockbuster. > >> > >> In addition to being released 28 days after the retail version, Warner's > >> rental version DVDs and Blu-rays will not contain bonus features or > extras. > >> However, we understand that there will be a significant price reduction > for > >> these products, apparently amounting to an average $4 per DVD title and > $8 > >> per Blu-ray title. > >> > >> Warner Home Video has announced that it may seek to enforce its new > policy > >> by auditing its distribution partners' sales. Additionally, Warner may > >> require retailers, like Amazon, Best Buy, Walmart, and Target, to limit > the > >> number of copies of a new release that may be sold to a single customer. > >> > >> Please note that Warner's new policy will only impact titles that have a > >> theatrical release, perhaps amounting to about 12 titles per year. > >> Non-theatrical Warner releases will not be affected by this policy. > >> > >> Below are the first three Warner theatrical titles affected. Note that > >> Warner's rental versions will feature rental artwork. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Ralph Tomlinson > >> Audio-visual/reference librarian > >> Adult Services > >> Olathe Public Library > >> 201 E. Park Street > >> Olathe, KS 66061 > >> (913) 971-6850 > >> rtomlin...@olatheks.org > >> > >> First 3 DVDs mentioned? in the release are: Crazy Stupid Love, Harry > Potter > >> and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 and The Hangover Part 2. > >> > >> > >> > >> Seems like not that long ago some studios were discussing simultaneous > >> release. Letter-writing campaign, anyone? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues > >> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, > >> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries > and > >> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an > effective > >> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > >> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > >> distributors. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Jessica Rosner > > Media Consultant > > 224-545-3897?(cell) > > 212-627-1785?(land line) > > jessicapros...@gmail.com > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic > control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in > libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as > an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of > communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video > producers and distributors. > > > > > > -- > Jessica Rosner > Media Consultant > 224-545-3897 (cell) > 212-627-1785 (land line) > jessicapros...@gmail.com > > > > End of videolib Digest, Vol 47, Issue 45 > **************************************** > -- Scott Spicer Media Outreach and Learning Spaces Librarian University of Minnesota Libraries - Twin Cities 341 Walter Library spic0...@umn.edu 612.626.0629 Media Services: lib.umn.edu/media SMART Learning Commons: smart.umn.edu
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