Dear Nahum, Rhode Island may be a little state but we do have more than one institution of higher education. Granted, they all have similar names. I work at the Community College of Rhode Island (CCRI). The University of Rhode Island (URI) was the library that received the large donation of films from RIIFF (Rhode Island International Film Festival). While URI may have received your two films in that donation, I can tell you they do not appear in the library's catalog, and are probably not available for borrowing or showing publicly.
You say your slogan is "I trust you, trust me", but apparently you don't really mean it, if you spend time checking up on who has a copy of your films via WorldCat. Perhaps, like Reagan, your motto is really "Trust but verify"? You ask a good question about the transfer of the PPR. If one library has bought a film from you, with PPR, and then withdraws that film from its collection and transfers it to another library -- this could happen in a library consortium, for example -- do the performance rights transfer, too? They have been paid for, haven't they? I don't know the answer to this, I'm just speculating. Perhaps it would be necessary to state in the sales agreement that the PPR are not transferable? Furthermore, you say, "... on every private sale invoice is stated for "private personal Home Use". So selling or donating to a library is a break of trust...". Here at CCRI (and, no doubt, other libraries), we have a few thousand films on DVD and VHS, both feature films and documentaries. We lend them, including the ones that have been donated, "for private personal Home Use". We do not lend them to movie theatres, or to student groups for parties. If someone wants to borrow one of our films to show to publicly, we advise them about securing performance rights. I'm not sure I understand your belief that libraries are lending out their films for public performance. Surely, if you want to make sure your preview films aren't donated to libraries (or private persons) after a film festival, all you have to do is request that the films in question be returned to you after the festival? Dusty Haller Dorcas Haller Librarian/Professor/Department Chair Community College of Rhode Island Library One Hilton Street, Providence, RI 02905 dhal...@ccri.edu Phone: 401-455-6085 Fax: 401-455-6087 -----Original Message----- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of nahum laufer Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:31 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] more on World Cat Thanks Anthony, Jessica and others that answered my mail It doesn't help much so: Dear Dorcas Haller Rhode Island Community College My slogan is I trust you, trust me. Is it your library that received 500 DVDs from RIFF including 2 titles from us 'The Darien Dilemma" & "Rafting to Bombay"? I don't see the logic in your answer. Yes I sell mainly to libraries, I don't want to sell for private use for it is not worthwhile yet I make exceptions.* Why I don't see the logic is. If you can resell the DVD (or donate) Why not donate PPR, why not sell the DVD to your next door cinema hall screening to a fee paying public ? or maybe to your favorite channel TV? In my logic there is no difference, on every private sale invoice is stated for "private personal Home Use". So selling or donating to a library is a break of trust, and we loose $200-$250 the difference from first sale to library sale. The issue of Previews is even less understood by me, we have to send previews otherwise who will know us. I don't send unsolicited DVD previews, when I send I always state I'm sending you a preview. Our film "One Day After Peace" has already been screened at 60 film festivals (more coming up) and a very special screening at United Nations Headquarters in New-York, to reach such number of festivals I have sent submissions to over 150 festivals, each received 1-3 previews, it seems I trust people to much, I can find a lawyer that will write a long statement yet I'm sure that Rhode Island International Film Festival will find a loophole and give away the DVDs, Today I received a request to submit to this festival it went straight into the dustbin. Festivals are important for us, No Library will buy a Doco-film that hasn't been accepted by no Festival and didn't get any prizes. In my Logic DVDs are not books, Libraries and private people buy books at the same price but for Films there is a tier system of prices, for we are selling is not 1 dollar empty DVD but a film, not a piece of metal but screening rights .that justifies the tier system. * With "The Darien Dilemma" I make exceptions, this week a man from Hungary told me his Grandparents & mother were "passengers" on the Darien, A person from England his father was in the Kindertransport, but his grandparents perished in Kladovo, another person's father was a sailor on the Darien all wanted to know the saga so I sold them a private copy, or Yehuda Arazi from California grandson of the original Yehuda Arazi depicted in the film I sent him a present DVD. I did not get requests from private people not connected with the Darien Saga. www.thedariendilemma.com/ So you see I'm not complaining I just don't understand the logic , I will continue to sell to libraries even to private people for I believe 99.9% are trustworthy and respect copyrights as we do. Cheers Nahum Laufer http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.php http://docsforeducation.com/ Sales Docs for Education Erez Laufer Films Holland st 10 Afulla 18371 Israel Did you sell it? (Do you *only* sell to libraries?) Once you've sold it, the owner (buyer) can do what s/he wants with it -- keep it, give it away, or discard it. If I buy a book, it is *my* property. I can keep it, I can donate it to a library, I can give it to a friend, I can throw it away. Even if you only sell your films to libraries, a library may decide at a later date to withdraw the film from its collection. It is conceivable that the library may ask if another library is interested in having it before getting rid of it completely. I don't see how you can expect to control your product once you have sold it. The only way you can do that is not to sell it. > Dorcas Haller > Librarian/Professor/Department Chair > Community College of Rhode Island Library One Hilton Street, > Providence, RI 02905 dhal...@ccri.edu > Phone: 401-455-6085 > Fax: 401-455-6087 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 12:57:59 -0700 From: Anthony Anderson <antho...@usc.edu> Subject: Re: [Videolib] World Cat To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <519d2347.3010...@usc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nahum! Assuming that the gift DVD is "legitimate" (and not a bootleg copy) then--yes, I very much believe that a library can accept it. The gift DVD can be allowed to circulate as part of the collection and can be shown in the context of a formal classroom presentation. However, if--say--a campus group wished to show the DVD at one of their meetings it would be very much incumbent upon that group to secure (and pay for) public performance rights. This scenario has yet to happen here at USC, but were our library to receive a "pricey" documentary as a gift, I would immediately contact the DVD's distributor and try to negoiate life-time public rights for the DVD. Other university and college libraries may have different policies, I don't know. What I do know is that many libraries accept books all the time as gifts and add them to their collections---and most such books are fully copyrighted. Other than matter of public performance rights, I don't see that much difference between gift books and gift DVDS. Cheers! Anthony ******************************* Anthony E. Anderson Assistant Director, Doheny Memorial Library University of Southern California Los Angeles, CA 90089-0182 (213) 740-1190antho...@usc.edu "Wind, regen, zon, of kou, Albert Cuyp ik hou van jou." ******************************** On 5/22/2013 12:06 PM, nahum laufer wrote: > Dear Collective Librarian knowledge of what is permitted or not, The > following is an exchange of mails, I have rubbed out the name of the > University library, My query is: can a library accept a DVD without > knowing if they have permission to use it? > > Nahum Laufer > http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.php > http://docsforeducation.com/ > Sales > Docs for Education > Erez Laufer Films > Holland st 10 > Afulla 18371 > Israel > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Monica, > Thanks for your mail, no one has the right to give our films as a > donation to a library. It must be misunderstanding It must be a copy > that I sent to someone to preview only. > The Darien Dilemma contains Archive Stills and Footage for which we > paid so as we respect other peoples copyrights we expect that our > copyrights will be respected. > Let us know If you want to purchase it for your library, please give > our catalogue a peek, I recommend our new film "One Day after Peace" > http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.php > http://docsforeducation.com/ > > Cheers > Nahum Laufer > Sales > Docs for Education > Erez Laufer Films > Holland set 10 > Afulla 18371 > Israel > ============ > From: Monica sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:32 PM > To: nahum laufer > Subject: RE: The Darien Dilemma DVD on Worldcat > > This DVD was a donation to the library. If it is of any comfort, Bowie > State University is a part of the "Educational Market." > Monica ....... > ----------------------------------- > From: nahum laufer [mailto:lauf...@netvision.net.il] > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 1:29 AM > To: Monica ........ > Subject: The Darien Dilemma DVD on Worldcat > > > Dear Monica ........ > Acquisitions > ........ University Library > In Worldcat search I found out that your library has a copy DVD of > "The Darien Dilemma". Media | D810.J4 D25 2008 There must be some kind > of misunderstanding We are self distributing the film, to the > "educational market". > I have no record of sending it to your library or of an invoice. > I'm curious to know how this DVD reached your Library. > > Cheers > Nahum Laufer > http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.php > http://docsforeducation.com/ > Sales > Docs for Education > Erez Laufer Films > Holland st 10 > Afulla 18371 > Israel > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 15:59:05 -0400 From: Jessica Rosner <maddux2...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Videolib] World Cat To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <cacre6m88jkhbpoqztyrvhejqjmkvdj623+gfptk3wo1-zqg...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oddly Dorcas the fact that this could merely be a copy sold to another party never ocurred to me. I assumed it was a screener gone astray but indeed absent an explicit agreement not to sell or donate ( and I don't know anyone who does do this currently) you are free to donate or sell any legal copy. Right of First Sale is pretty much absolute. On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Haller, Dorcas W. <dhal...@ccri.edu> wrote: > Did you sell it? (Do you *only* sell to libraries?) Once you've sold > it, the owner (buyer) can do what s/he wants with it -- keep it, give > it away, or discard it. If I buy a book, it is *my* property. > I can keep it, I can donate it to a library, I can give it to a > friend, I can throw it away. > Even if you only sell your films to libraries, a library may decide at > a later date to withdraw the film from its collection. It is > conceivable that the library may ask if another library is interested > in having it before getting rid of it completely. > I don't see how you can expect to control your product once you have > sold it. The only way you can do that is not to sell it. > > Dorcas Haller > Librarian/Professor/Department Chair > Community College of Rhode Island Library One Hilton Street, > Providence, RI 02905 dhal...@ccri.edu > Phone: 401-455-6085 > Fax: 401-455-6087 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: > videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of nahum laufer > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:07 PM > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Subject: [Videolib] World Cat > > Dear Collective Librarian knowledge of what is permitted or not, The > following is an exchange of mails, I have rubbed out the name of the > University library, My query is: can a library accept a DVD without > knowing if they have permission to use it? > > Nahum Laufer > http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.php > http://docsforeducation.com/ > Sales > Docs for Education > Erez Laufer Films > Holland st 10 > Afulla 18371 > Israel > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Monica, > Thanks for your mail, no one has the right to give our films as a > donation to a library. It must be misunderstanding It must be a copy > that I sent to someone to preview only. > The Darien Dilemma contains Archive Stills and Footage for which we > paid so as we respect other peoples copyrights we expect that our > copyrights will be respected. > Let us know If you want to purchase it for your library, please give > our catalogue a peek, I recommend our new film "One Day after Peace" > http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.php > http://docsforeducation.com/ > > Cheers > Nahum Laufer > Sales > Docs for Education > Erez Laufer Films > Holland set 10 > Afulla 18371 > Israel > ============ > From: Monica sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:32 PM > To: nahum laufer > Subject: RE: The Darien Dilemma DVD on Worldcat > > This DVD was a donation to the library. If it is of any comfort, Bowie > State University is a part of the "Educational Market." > Monica ....... > ----------------------------------- > From: nahum laufer [mailto:lauf...@netvision.net.il] > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 1:29 AM > To: Monica ........ > Subject: The Darien Dilemma DVD on Worldcat > > > Dear Monica ........ > Acquisitions > ........ University Library > In Worldcat search I found out that your library has a copy DVD of > "The Darien Dilemma". Media | D810.J4 D25 2008 There must be some kind > of misunderstanding We are self distributing the film, to the > "educational market". > I have no record of sending it to your library or of an invoice. > I'm curious to know how this DVD reached your Library. > > Cheers > Nahum Laufer > http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.php > http://docsforeducation.com/ > Sales > Docs for Education > Erez Laufer Films > Holland st 10 > Afulla 18371 > Israel > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current > and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It > is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for > video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between > libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current > and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It > is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for > video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between > libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment scrubbed and removed. HTML attachments are only available in MIME digests. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 16:54:17 -0400 From: Dennis Doros <milefi...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Videolib] World Cat To: Video Library questions <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <CAPiNLPKZS=tukwxawl0jaqqcl4eipyfficrtpht7p5-g5wy...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Jessica's right to point out that it could have been a review copy. In those cases, I now have on my copies "Property of Milestone / Not For Sale or Use Without Permission / To Be Returned to Milestone Unless Permission is Granted" My opinion, based on the last court decision, is that a review/press copy is implied a gift to the reviewer unless specified otherwise. By stating the above, I'm hoping we are protected from people giving them to others for use or selling them on Ebay. Of course, we are just starting to put films up online for streaming (with password protection) so we don't have to send out DVDs to critics and buyers in the future. BUT, as others have stated, if the DVD was sold to someone, then everyone is correct that, at least here in the States, it can be given to anyone as long as the DVDs are not used for public performance, broadcast, streamed, duplicated, etc. Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film & Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 / Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 / Fax: 201-767-3035 / Email: milefi...@gmail.com Visit our main website! www.milestonefilms.com Visit our new websites! www.portraitofjason.com, www.shirleyclarkefilms.com , Support "Milestone Film" on Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426> and Twitter <https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms>! See the website: Association of Moving Image Archivists<http://www.amianet.org/> and like them on Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Association-of-Moving-Image-Archivist s/86854559717> AMIA 2013 Conference, Richmond, Virginia, November 5-9!<http://www.amianet.org/> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Anthony Anderson <antho...@usc.edu> wrote: > Nahum! Assuming that the gift DVD is "legitimate" (and not a bootleg > copy) then--yes, > I very much believe that a library can accept it. The gift DVD can be > allowed to circulate as part of the collection and can be shown in the > context of a formal classroom presentation. > However, if--say--a campus group wished to show the DVD at one of > their meetings it would be very much incumbent upon that group to > secure (and pay for) public performance rights. > > This scenario has yet to happen here at USC, but were our library to > receive a "pricey" documentary as a gift, I would immediately contact > the DVD's distributor and try to negoiate life-time public rights for > the DVD. > > Other university and college libraries may have different policies, I > don't know. > > What I do know is that many libraries accept books all the time as > gifts and add them to their collections---and most such books are > fully copyrighted. > Other > than matter of public performance rights, I don't see that much > difference between gift books and gift DVDS. > > > Cheers! > Anthony > > ******************************* > Anthony E. Anderson > Assistant Director, Doheny Memorial Library University of Southern > California Los Angeles, CA 90089-0182(213) 740-1190 antho...@usc.edu > "Wind, regen, zon, of kou, Albert Cuyp ik hou van jou." > ******************************** > > > > On 5/22/2013 12:06 PM, nahum laufer wrote: > > Dear Collective Librarian knowledge of what is permitted or not, The > following is an exchange of mails, I have rubbed out the name of the > University library, My query is: can a library accept a DVD without > knowing if they have permission to use it? > > Nahum Lauferhttp://onedayafterpeace.com/index.phphttp://docsforeducation.com/ > Sales > Docs for Education > Erez Laufer Films > Holland st 10 > Afulla 18371 > Israel > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Dear Monica, > Thanks for your mail, no one has the right to give our films as a > donation to a library. It must be misunderstanding It must be a copy > that I sent to someone to preview only. > The Darien Dilemma contains Archive Stills and Footage for which we > paid so > as we respect other peoples copyrights we expect that our copyrights > will be > respected. > Let us know If you want to purchase it for your library, please give > our catalogue a peek, I recommend our new film "One Day after Peace" > http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.php > http://docsforeducation.com/ > > Cheers > Nahum Laufer > Sales > Docs for Education > Erez Laufer Films > Holland set 10 > Afulla 18371 > Israel > ============ > From: Monica sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 3:32 PM > To: nahum laufer > Subject: RE: The Darien Dilemma DVD on Worldcat > > This DVD was a donation to the library. If it is of any comfort, Bowie > State University is a part of the " <http://onedayafterpeace.com/index.phphttp://docsforeducation.com/CheersNahu mLauferSalesDocsforEducationErezLauferFilmsHollandset10Afulla18371Israel==== ========From:Monicasent:Thursday,May02,20133:32PMTo:nahumlauferSubject:RE:Th eDarienDilemmaDVDonWorldcatThisDVDwasadonationtothelibrary.Ifitisofanycomfor t,BowieStateUniversityisapartofthe>Educational Market." > Monica ....... > ----------------------------------- > From: nahum laufer [mailto:lauf...@netvision.net.il <lauf...@netvision.net.il>] > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 1:29 AM > To: Monica ........ > Subject: The Darien Dilemma DVD on Worldcat > > > Dear Monica ........ > Acquisitions > ........ University Library > In Worldcat search I found out that your library has a copy DVD of > "The Darien Dilemma". Media | D810.J4 D25 2008 There must be some kind > of misunderstanding We are self distributing the film, to the > "educational market". > I have no record of sending it to your library or of an invoice. > I'm curious to know how this DVD reached your Library. > > Cheers > Nahum Lauferhttp://onedayafterpeace.com/index.phphttp://docsforeducation.com/ > Sales > Docs for Education > Erez Laufer Films > Holland st 10 > Afulla 18371 > Israel > > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of > issues relating to the selection, evaluation, > acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current > and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. 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