This is the big issue of the online courses and degrees. We are in a early stage (mogs vs. online education), but it is one of the areas with wider development and universities see that as a huge business coming easily. In 2011 Stanford offered a course on Artificial Intelligence, and 160K students around the world enrolled. 30K got the degree (Data from Francisco Ruiz, Google Public and Government Relations We could say that if the film is in a U.S. server, then it is legit to make it available. Personally I think this is off and it is the same trick giants as Amazon and Apple and the rest with questionable business ethics uses to pay no taxes in countries with regular tax policies and they settle their companies in Ireland and places like that to avoid Danish or Spanish taxes. So is it fair to pay $599 for DSL rights for a film that 160K students will watch? You can answer and maybe we all can create a policy that makes sense for all.
Marta Sanchez Director Pragda Bringing You the Best of Spanish & Latin American Cinema 302 Bedford Ave., # 136 Brooklyn, NY 11249 (tel): 347-891-1788 Pragda: www.pragda.com Spanish Film Club: www.spanishfilmclub.com DEADLINE COMING UP! MARCH 31, 2014 On Feb 23, 2014, at 2:57 AM, Steinhoff, Cindy wrote: > Matt makes an excellent point here. My college has a huge distance learning > program. A student who takes online classes – regular credit courses, not > MOOCs – and lives hundreds or thousands of miles away from campus is as much > our student as one who lives next door to the college and is enrolled in > either traditional or online classes. We can’t treat a few students in an > online course differently than others in that same course, just because they > don’t live within sight of the campus. > > Cindy Steinhoff > Anne Arundel Community College > Arnold, MD > > > The information contained in this email may be confidential and/or legally > privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). > If the reader of this message is not an intended recipient, you are hereby > notified that any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its content, is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original > message. Thank you. > > > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu > [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Ball, James (jmb4aw) > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:10 PM > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Standard DVD/Streaming/PPR Agreements used by > University Libraries > > Yes but, the distributor that I buy rights from isn't selling rights outside > the U.S. And a person in Spain who registers and pays for a UVa course is a > legitimate UVa student, right? So they would be able to have access to our > licensed streaming titles just like they would to our licensed databases. > > M- > > ________________________________________ > > Matt Ball > Media and Collections Librarian > University of Virginia > Charlottesville, VA 22904 > mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 > > From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu > [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Jessica Rosner > [maddux2...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:53 PM > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Standard DVD/Streaming/PPR Agreements used by > University Libraries > > I am afraid it is not that simple James depending on the material. I come > from the mindset of more less feature type materials so I can't really speak > for media made specifically or even largely for institutional use. Most > contracts limit distribution of a film to a particular "territory" and thus > most distributors are only allowed to sell/license in those physical > territories.If they agreed to allow persons outside the US to access the > material they would likely be in breach of contract. Even when you are > dealing directly with the rights holder they may have SOLD those rights for > outside the US and they would ironically be violating their contract to allow > a student in Spain to access the material. That said I don't think anyone > really worries or cares about a student on vacation accessing a film for a > course. The big fear/problem is the idea of schools doing online courses with > students outside the country, students who basically have no connection to > the schools beyond the online courses. Allowing them access would almost > surely violate most contracts for distributors and most rights holders would > be unwilling to agree to sell such rights even if they could. Now it is not > all that gloomy. I think one can get a license that rights holders at least > would agree do and distributors could probably get rights holders to allow > them to license but it would have to be VERY specific to avoid both violating > any deals rights holders make with overseas distributors and from the rights > holders point of view giving away too much. Some rights holders are more > difficult than others and it goes without saying that almost no standard > theatrical films could be covered because those rights holders are REALLY > difficult. > > Fun stuff > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) > <jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu> wrote: > Jessica, > > Can you explain what the issue is with people being overseas? For example, > if I'm a registered student and I'm spending spring break in Barcelona, > shouldn't I still be able to view licensed streaming content once I've > authenticated past the firewall? > > Matt > > ______________________________ > Matt Ball > Media and Collections Librarian > Clemons Library > University of Virginia > mattb...@virginia.edu > 434-924-3812 > > On Feb 20, 2014, at 5:32 PM, "Jessica Rosner" <maddux2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well I can see a few problems that would prevent any directors I work with > from using this. One is what exactly do you mean by patrons? I make sure > licenses are limited to enrolled students and current faculty and staff. Also > as the issue of use by persons overseas has come up I now have added that > the streaming must be within in the US. Keep in mind it would very unusual > though not impossible for companies to own rights outside the US and they > could get in a lot of trouble for authorizing this. > > The last issue and I know I am beating a dead horse but I would be very > careful about accepting a license for perpetuity because as a rule most > companies won't own those rights, most contracts are on a limited term for > distributors. I think increasingly they are getting these rights from > filmmakers on non fiction material but it is not the norm. Bottom line if I > were purchasing such rights I would make sure the contract explicitly states > that seller has the right the SPECIFIC right to sell streaming in perpetuity > from the actual rights holder (which is rarely the distributor) as someone > could come along later and say they did not and you would have to give it > back. Again I think the ability to buy rights in perpetuity will become more > common but not the norm for non fiction /educational material, but I think it > will very unlikely with films that play theatrically > > > On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Darby Orcutt <dcorc...@ncsu.edu> wrote: > Jodi, > For streaming, I developed and use this: "A license for unlimited, > protected by authentication, streaming in perpetuity to all registered staff, > faculty, students, and patrons at North Carolina State University." > There's some brief context for this in my piece from a few years ago, > "Mainstreaming Media: Innovating Media Collections at the NCSU Libraries," > available at: > http://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1217&context=charleston > I'd be happy to discuss further if you or anyone would like. > Best, > Darby > > Darby Orcutt > Assistant Head > Collection Management Department > North Carolina State University Libraries > Box 7111 > Raleigh, NC 27695-7111 > 919/ 513-0364 > dcorc...@ncsu.edu > > > > On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Jodi Hoover <hoov...@umbc.edu> wrote: > Hi Nellie- > > My current issue is with a DVD purchase but we will eventually purchase > streaming content so I'm interested in both. > > Jodi > > Jodi Hoover > Digital Media Librarian > Albin O. Kuhn Library > UMBC > 1000 Hilltop Circle > Baltimore, MD 21250 > Phone: 410.455.2964 > Fax: 410.455.1078 > Email: hoov...@umbc.edu > > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:44:36 -0500 > From: Nellie J Chenault <njche...@vcu.edu> > Subject: Re: [Videolib] Standard DVD/Streaming/PPR Agreements used by > University Libraries > To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu > Message-ID: > <CAOG_sSxqDZFBoLk02QauJmutuqgcKPhw=grb0h1zqqmgnjj...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Is this for DVD or online licensing? > On Feb 19, 2014 10:32 AM, "Jodi Hoover" <hoov...@umbc.edu> wrote: > > > Hello all- > > > > I poked around on the archive a bit but didn't see what I was looking for > > so please forgive me if this has already been discussed. > > > > Lately I've gotten a couple of DVD licensing agreements in which the > > wording has been especially problematic for our institution. Currently all > > of these documents have to go to our legal dept and the review process can > > take months. I am hoping to find a way to streamline the process. I am > > currently not in a position to directly negotiate with vendors but if the > > legal dept and the library could agree on standard language, I might be > > able to at least start the conversation with vendors before the license > > gets sent to limbo for months. > > > > Does anyone have a standard license or language that they use to negotiate > > with vendors? If so would you be willing to share it? You can send it to > > me off-list if you prefer. > > > > Thank you so much- > > > > Jodi > > > > Jodi Hoover > > Digital Media Librarian > > Albin O. Kuhn Library > > UMBC > > 1000 Hilltop Circle > > Baltimore, MD 21250 > > Phone: 410.455.2964 > > Fax: 410.455.1078 > > Email: hoov...@umbc.edu > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors. > > > VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues > relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, > preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and > related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective > working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication > between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and > distributors.
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
